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Old 18th Apr 2010, 01:28
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There are a whole raft of issues to confont:
Runway PCN; unless some re-surfacing has gone on lately it is shot.
Compliance with current DfT requirements for security (fencing for a start).
Then there is the issue of reliability; the Council ripped out the radar so only a non-precision approach aid is available. The runway is prone to surface icing in winter due to centreline drainage (hence its condition). These factors result in diversions (typically to Newcastle). Pretty soon the regular users of a scheduled service work out that they are better off driving the other way on the A69 and just using Newcastle.
For a viable, reliable service CAX needs a new runway (I understand that there are problems with the sub-strate - after all it was just 'floated' over moorland and bog at short notice for the Second World War) and lighting and an ILS. A single regional route would never repay that level of investment.
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Old 20th May 2010, 06:50
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Stobart's planning permission over turned in the Court of Appeal.
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Old 21st May 2010, 07:33
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Nipper.... agree entirely, but a small correction: even with the radar still operational, only non-precision approaches would have been available. An SRA only gives guidance in one azimuth.
Still, what are Carlisle's options now? Hopefully there is a plan B.
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Old 16th Jun 2010, 19:07
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Heres the press release from the 'mystery bidder' trying to buy the freehold from Carlisle City Council

PRESS RELEASE


A Green Airport for Cumbria

We are setting out to achieve a first for Carlisle with the countryís first green airport.

The intentions are ;

To secure the airport for use by light aircraft beyond 2011 and encourage development of the aviation services and businesses on site;
To integrate the airport development with our tourism needs and Hadrianís Wall World Heritage site better;
To accommodate small businesses committed to the development and utilisation of renewable energy; and
To use renewable energy sources to service the airportís facilities and accommodation.

In all of this the intention is to work closely with local communities and businesses and to find ways of giving the local community a stake in the development.

What will the site offer?

-Security for the airport as a regional centre for light aircraft, the aircraft museum and a venue for aviation festivals.


-A workshop/laboratory base and small business provision for the development of sustainable technology, with opportunities for eco- entrepreneurs. The development of sustainable electrical and heating provision for all accommodation on the site. The aim being to lower carbon dioxide emissions .

-Log cabins for tourists, users of the airport, walkers and cyclists; a nature reserve; eco domes for plants; teaching facilities; renewable energy exhibitions; ĎHadrianís Wall from the airí base and a Hadrianís Wall interpretation centre are all possibilities.

- New employment opportunities for 100 people within 5 years.

The intention is to work with the local communities to achieve this and with the broader Cumbrian and regional communities.

If you want to learn more or are interested in taking part in the development, register your interest with [email protected]

Working for a secure and sustainable future for Carlisle Airport.
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Old 17th Jun 2010, 20:08
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And who is going to fund all of this? sounds like the usual nonsense that has surrounded Carlisle Airport for many years.

Note that it's a GMAIL address for enquiries, they "mystery bidder" can't even raise their own web site. Probably Nigerian, possibly Martin Halsted undoubtedly Micky Mouse.
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Old 18th Jun 2010, 06:49
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I think you'll find that the person behind this bid is that 'interesting' individual Peter Elliott. Need I say more?
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Old 18th Jun 2010, 15:09
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Peter Elliott, i believe is only fronting the bid for the 'mystery buyer' as he did when negotiating the previous deal for Andrew Tinkler/Stobarts when he bought the lease from Lord Ballyedmond.
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Old 18th Jun 2010, 19:01
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yes u may say some more

who is Peter Elliot please?
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Old 18th Jun 2010, 19:20
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Not Stobart's No.1 fan?

It's a long story - go to the Carlisle News and Star website and put his name into the search function - all will be revealed...
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Old 18th Jun 2010, 22:46
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Peter Elliot is a bankrupt "avaition consultant", his credentials appear to lack some authenticity in respect of his track record as an expert in his chosen field.

This proposal is a a complete non starter.
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Old 8th Jan 2011, 09:32
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Trying again it appears, hope it goes through:

Cumberland News | News | Carlisle airport revamp must not stall again, say Cumbrian business chiefs
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Old 8th Jan 2011, 10:36
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Who's going to join me on bets that this consultant chap is going to suggest they follow the footsteps of John Lennon and Robin Hood; call it Publius Aelius Hadrianus Airport?
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Old 8th Jan 2011, 14:15
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The planning application assumes there would be 3,650 passenger and 1,560 cargo flights each year by 2025 and an average of 276 heavy-lorry movements each day.
and the last bit of the sentance says it all.

Quite clearly, once Stobart get the requisite planning permission, the can continue to develop the vehicle transport operation at the airport and could easily have the 270 or so lorry movements every day within a month from now.

The airport side will remain undeveloped as, within the planning permission, they have just under 15 years to arrange for just one scheduled passenger flight per day to operate from the airport, in fact, they are not legally obliged to do that.

I can't belive that anyone who is supporting the development of the airport hasn't seen through all of this.

But it doesn't matter as if Stobart don't get what they want, they'll relocate to Cheshire and sell Carlisle Airport at the best price they can get, I'd wager that it almost certainly won't be to anyone with any aviation interests and there's nothing the local authority will be able to do about it.

Either way, Stobart speak with forked tongues with regard to the airport development.
It won't happen.
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Old 8th Jan 2011, 21:40
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Don't you think they might be interested in an air freight operation to link in with the road transport network?
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Old 9th Jan 2011, 07:59
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Maths, Niknak:

3,650 passenger flights per year is ten (flights) per day.
1,560 cargo flights per year is 30 (flights) per week.
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Old 9th Jan 2011, 10:11
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Well I hope they get it all sorted out this time irrespective of the time or wish to develop the air side. That part of the country desperately needs more work and I think there will be a lot of 'knock on' benefits.
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Old 9th Jan 2011, 12:12
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3,650 passenger and 1,560 cargo flights each year by 2025
Clean yer specs and re read:
They have 15 years to reach those figures, whereas Stobart could have 276 lorries operating in and out of there next week. Now you do the maths.

Jamesair - air freight is unlikely as most of what Stobart haul would not be cost effective to fly to Carlisle and then put on a lorry.
Any other airfreight is well catered for in the north west by the proximity of Newcastle, Glasgow and Prestwick.
Purpose built facilities would be required for air freight at Carlisle and that would be a very expensive investment for little return.
I doubt that it would happen.
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Old 10th Jan 2011, 10:15
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Maybe Stobart plan to use a fleet of these; BBC News - The new vehicle set to revolutionise the skies
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Old 10th Jan 2011, 15:35
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"Purpose built" facilities for airfreight seem to be exactly what are included within the plans. There is a dedicated freight apron with eleven aircraft stands, four of which are immediately adjacent to the freight terminal.

Quite how eleven stands could ever be needed at CAX is rather beyond me, but that is what the plans show.
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Old 17th Jan 2011, 16:50
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Redevelopment Plans

I see the redevelopment plans have been resubmitted after the original one was thrown out. The new one doesn't include a PASSENGER TERMINAL. Comments please.
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