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Old 17th Jun 2015, 23:51
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I think that if it has to be an additional runway at LHR or LGW then it should be LHR.
Indeed, goes without saying, doesn't it?!


I would prefer an additional runway at both airports if that is possible within the airspace constraints. The noise and pollution concerns whilst valid will become less of an issue over the next 20 years, aircraft will become quieter and vehicle emission will reduce with new generation of petrol engines coming to the market, stop/start technology is already having an impact.
The problem with a second rwy at LGW as well as a third at LHR is not airspace constraints.

The question is: can the LGW management build another rwy (and of course the associated terminal and other infrastructure) without jacking up airport charges to such an extent that carriers are driven away?

It is said that the rises in airport charges there would be "eye-watering", and much higher than any LHR equivelant, and the question applies whether the LHR management are permitted to build a third rwy or not.

LHR can clearly do this without problems because of the availibility of sufficient numbers of premium business pax for the airlines to offset any rise in airport charges, and because there are many carriers that wish to operate flights (or more flights) from there, so any airlines leaving will be quickly replaced and slots filled.
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Old 25th Jun 2015, 12:22
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Air Canada rouge starting daily YYZ-LGW from 19th May 2016.


Canada-Gatwick hotting up again it seems.
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Old 25th Jun 2015, 12:26
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To be clear, seasonal summer leisure capacity, but welcome none the less.

Air Canada Adds Lyon, London-Gatwick to its Growing Global Network - Jun 25, 2015

Isn't twitter a useful tool lax_lhr
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Old 25th Jun 2015, 13:57
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Well done LGW.
but can all 3 carriers survive on the LGW-YYZ route ?
Westjet, air Canada rouge and air Transat, well I guess
We can look forward to a price war 😜
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Old 25th Jun 2015, 14:31
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Just needs Norwegian to go on LGW-YHM and then it would be a full scale battle.
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Old 28th Jun 2015, 11:32
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Does anyone have any news regarding the completion date of the new pier 1 in Gatwick's South terminal? Would appreciate any news. I have tried an internet search but cannot find any recent updates.


Many thanks
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Old 28th Jun 2015, 11:54
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Well done LGW.
but can all 3 carriers survive on the LGW-YYZ route ?
Westjet, air Canada rouge and air Transat, well I guess
Back to the 70s/80s

Wardair, 747s and 707s (If were luck a 727 !) CP-AIR with 747s and DC8s and variety of 707s from Quebecair, PWA , BCAL and BMA - That was capacity !

Later Nationair and Worldways and others.
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Old 28th Jun 2015, 13:00
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Not forgetting ONA, Trans International, Saturn, World Airways, Capital Airways and maybe a couple of others I have forgotten.
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Old 28th Jun 2015, 13:03
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DUB is a smaller airport with a far smaller catchment and it has those 3 airlines plus EI on the route. LGW can definitely make that much capacity work, and probably multiple daily too
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Old 28th Jun 2015, 13:11
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True, but Dublin doesn't have another airport (ie Heathrow) nearby with BA and Air Canada operating multiple flights daily with 777s, 787, 747 and 767 as competition to the catchment area.
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Old 28th Jun 2015, 13:23
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Originally Posted by jackieofalltrades
True, but Dublin doesn't have another airport (ie Heathrow) nearby with BA and Air Canada operating multiple flights daily with 777s, 787, 747 and 767 as competition to the catchment area.
Agreed. However until recent years the majority of travellers between Ireland and Canada went via Heathrow, year round direct flights seem to have ended that.

There's enough people in the world who avoid LHR whenever possible (myself included), the market on this route is enormous, especially in Summer. Yes the other airport up the road is the fourth busiest in Europe, but London is the biggest city in Europe right? Also AC and BA are in the more upmarket game, the 3 in LGW are the budget carriers, so they're chasing different pax really. In my (utterly irrelevant) opinion, all 3 carriers on this route will flourish.
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Old 28th Jun 2015, 13:24
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The UK-Canada market is waaay different to even 10 years ago. The days of huge VFR capacity are over. GLA too at one point had a daily Air Canada mainline 747 to YYZ along with a collection of other operators even using 747s ie Air Club and short lived Fortunair. I cant see what has suddenly changed to support massive increases in capacity. Something will give or reshuffle, it always does.
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Old 28th Jun 2015, 19:53
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On twitter I am reading lots of reports about a power failure in the South Terminal causing mayhem, does anybody have any details?
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Old 28th Jun 2015, 21:42
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There's enough people in the world who avoid LHR whenever possible (myself included), the market on this route is enormous, especially in Summer. Yes the other airport up the road is the fourth busiest in Europe, but London is the biggest city in Europe right? Also AC and BA are in the more upmarket game, the 3 in LGW are the budget carriers, so they're chasing different pax really. In my (utterly irrelevant) opinion, all 3 carriers on this route will flourish.
You make a good point. And I would love to see all three work at LGW as well as the LHR carriers. I agree, I tend to avoid LHR if I can help it, but then again I also will avoid LGW if I can. It's been several years since I've had the 'pleasure' of passing through LGW.
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Old 28th Jun 2015, 22:44
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Jacko

You should try LGW again, utterly transformed over the past few years
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Old 29th Jun 2015, 10:50
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You should try LGW again, utterly transformed over the past few years
I agree it is a much, much better experience now but still a bit to go. The WiFi is appalling (non-existent, really) and these power outages shouldn't be happening.

Also, I don't know who is responsible for gate allocation at South Terminal but, really, the likes of Gate 11 for 189 FR pax?
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Old 29th Jun 2015, 22:47
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Thanks for the heads up Lnida, I will give it a try again sometime in the future. Can't be worse than passing through LHR lately!
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Old 30th Jun 2015, 04:16
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Yes the WiFi is crap, but most area have good 4G coverage, the team of helpers at the rail interchange do a great job of helping point people in the right direction for tickets and trains.

The big transformation at the South terminal is the security area and the by and large polite helpful staff, the LHR equivalent have faces like a slapped arse.

Of course the shopping has expanded, but its not Mall like at CPH

FR have only a handful of flights at LGW so gate 11 is seldom an issue
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Old 30th Jun 2015, 08:15
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The big transformation at the South terminal is the security area and the by and large polite helpful staff, the LHR equivalent have faces like a slapped arse.
Credit where credit is due. I use only the South terminal and the Security area bears no resemblance to what it was like before where you'd often arrive into the terminal from the station to be met by a bloke holding a pole at the top of which a notice proclaimed "End of Security Queue". Kudos also to the staff who make what is probably the worst part of air travel into something bearable and they do it with a good heart. I'd certainly recommend it to jackieofalltrades over the LHR setup.

On the other hand, and with so many good things happening there, it is difficult to understand how, in this day and age, providing a simple-to-use fast free WiFi seems to be beyond their capabilities.
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Old 30th Jun 2015, 09:32
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Why no flight departure screens in the South Terminal landside?

Only airport on Earth I have (not) found this. Actually there's one in a coffee shop upstairs but you know what I mean.

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