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Sorry but I cant find a Gatwick thread, so opened another, sorry if I missed it.
Can anyone tell me if at LGW, you can do TWILIGHT check-in for (TOM)
and if so what is the earliest time I can do this.
many thanks DAZ211.
Can anyone tell me if at LGW, you can do TWILIGHT check-in for (TOM)
and if so what is the earliest time I can do this.
many thanks DAZ211.
Lets hope Sterling will be a little more careful while landing at LGW than what they appear to be at CPH according to some reports. DUCK!
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But today, the airport boundary is completely within the administrative area of Crawley Borough in West Sussex.
Postcode is irrelevant, there is no such thing as a "Surrey Postcode", because Postcodes are based on postal towns, and do not recognise county boundaries (e.g. Nottingham East Midlands Airport has a Derby postcode, but is in Leicestershire).
[Edit: The BBC News article has been corrected.]
Postcode is irrelevant, there is no such thing as a "Surrey Postcode", because Postcodes are based on postal towns, and do not recognise county boundaries (e.g. Nottingham East Midlands Airport has a Derby postcode, but is in Leicestershire).
[Edit: The BBC News article has been corrected.]
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10 mins, H24. Leaves on the hour and every 10 mins from Concord House and X car park. I think the North terminal one leaves 5 mins later (or earlier??). My experience it's quite reliable.
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BA LGW GB handling contract lost.
Today it was annouced that the GB baggage handling operation at LGW will be moved to another company. This will happen within the next 2 weeks and only affects the loading/baggage sections. Check-in, Load Control and Dispatch will remain at BA for now.
With Virgin taking on the GB engineering contract it seems that there will be an interesting array of colours and company logos on stands in the north terminal!
Who thought that we could all come together and work in harmony for the benefit of the paying passenger.
With Virgin taking on the GB engineering contract it seems that there will be an interesting array of colours and company logos on stands in the north terminal!
Who thought that we could all come together and work in harmony for the benefit of the paying passenger.
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Latest rumour going around is that it has apparently been confirmed, GB will lose the franchise earlier than 2010.
Aparently BA crew at Gatwick have had a memo saying were going to lose it sometime in 2008.
BA are doing a cracking job of cocking everything up this month aren't they. Sorry I shouldn't say BA, i mean WW.
I just feel sorry for those who have to work for him, I say lets get out of the franchise on our terms and get on with doing things our own way.
Aparently BA crew at Gatwick have had a memo saying were going to lose it sometime in 2008.
BA are doing a cracking job of cocking everything up this month aren't they. Sorry I shouldn't say BA, i mean WW.
I just feel sorry for those who have to work for him, I say lets get out of the franchise on our terms and get on with doing things our own way.
Today it was annouced that the GB baggage handling operation at LGW will be moved to another company. This will happen within the next 2 weeks and only affects the loading/baggage sections. Check-in, Load Control and Dispatch will remain at BA for now.
With Virgin taking on the GB engineering contract it seems that there will be an interesting array of colours and company logos on stands in the north terminal!
Who thought that we could all come together and work in harmony for the benefit of the paying passenger.
With Virgin taking on the GB engineering contract it seems that there will be an interesting array of colours and company logos on stands in the north terminal!
Who thought that we could all come together and work in harmony for the benefit of the paying passenger.
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BA are doing a cracking job of cocking everything up this month aren't they. Sorry I shouldn't say BA, i mean WW.
Perhaps the BA loaders at LGW who have been determined to carry on in their good old fashioned 'comfy' ways have left it rather too late to wake up and smell the coffee? If your costs are too high the customer will buy elsewhere.... Aviance in this case.
BA and GB will divorce very soon. GB is a liability to BA and on the other side GB is fed up with being told by BA what routes it may fly and those it may not. There is no benefit left in the marriage for either party.
Some of GB's routes are operated using BA route licences that go back to BEA times. I don't see BA giving those up for one moment. GB clearly thinks it can go it alone with it's remaining route portfolio and the core holiday company business.
Only time will tell.
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Talking of the GB franchise renewal (or not) in 2008, the Loganair one too would also seem to be on dodgy ground, what's the current score with BMED's marriage? Can't really see how Sun Air and Comair etc. fit into BA's grand plan (?) either...
Looks to me as though they are heading for a structure not dissimilar to the big Mid-east players with a single core and a relatively limited local network, also the letters BOAC spring to mind don't really remember though if they operated much inside Europe.
What go's around....
PP
Looks to me as though they are heading for a structure not dissimilar to the big Mid-east players with a single core and a relatively limited local network, also the letters BOAC spring to mind don't really remember though if they operated much inside Europe.
What go's around....
PP
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Not a 'core' business interest but a 100% valid business interest.
In the past 20 years, I have watched the band wagon of outsourcing roll through countless companies and organisations and governments. The end result is very rarely an improvement of service to the customer. The accountants love it but you upset your staff and your customers.
As a manger, when something goes wrong, you cannot reach out and grab the the throat of the person who mucked it up - because they are not your person and getting a discipline charge through is a legal minefield. The contract is full of Service Level Agreements that, on the day can do nothing to improve things. There are all the promises that it won't happen again - and it does. The reason is simple, the chain of command is too long and has too many kinks in it.
Example: A company in the UK had difficulty delivering it's product as it was being subject to intimidation on unofficial picket lines. Whilst the Police would help, the drivers were simply refusing to drive anywhere near them. The boss summeds the transport manager to tell him to tell the drivers to drive. But the drivers had been outsourced to a UK company, who then sub-contracted to an Italian company who was the actual employer and it took some time for the problem to be overcome.
Getting bags on and off might not be core business but it has the chance to ruin your core business faster than almost everything else. Since bag handling affects the vast majority of your customers (depending upon long or short and tiem of day etc.) then getting it right is of the greatest importance.
I speak as one who has been on the inside of outsourcing as well as the unhappy recipient on the outside. The sooner this fad passes, the better.
Do you really think that carrying on business as a handling agent for one of your own franchisees at one of your own main bases is a core business interest for BA?
In the past 20 years, I have watched the band wagon of outsourcing roll through countless companies and organisations and governments. The end result is very rarely an improvement of service to the customer. The accountants love it but you upset your staff and your customers.
As a manger, when something goes wrong, you cannot reach out and grab the the throat of the person who mucked it up - because they are not your person and getting a discipline charge through is a legal minefield. The contract is full of Service Level Agreements that, on the day can do nothing to improve things. There are all the promises that it won't happen again - and it does. The reason is simple, the chain of command is too long and has too many kinks in it.
Example: A company in the UK had difficulty delivering it's product as it was being subject to intimidation on unofficial picket lines. Whilst the Police would help, the drivers were simply refusing to drive anywhere near them. The boss summeds the transport manager to tell him to tell the drivers to drive. But the drivers had been outsourced to a UK company, who then sub-contracted to an Italian company who was the actual employer and it took some time for the problem to be overcome.
Getting bags on and off might not be core business but it has the chance to ruin your core business faster than almost everything else. Since bag handling affects the vast majority of your customers (depending upon long or short and tiem of day etc.) then getting it right is of the greatest importance.
I speak as one who has been on the inside of outsourcing as well as the unhappy recipient on the outside. The sooner this fad passes, the better.
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All BA Franchise deals will end shortly...
WW has no time for Franchise partnerships. Its not his business to ask 'outside' airlines to fly for him, using his brand, but when the whole thing started many years ago, it was acceptable as BA couldnt do the flights themselves and a different management structure was in place. Yes BA got the 'credit' and publicity as the public saw BA everywhere, but onboard and behind the scenes the product was being delivered inconsistantly and with some parts not delivering at all, and damaging the image of BA. This wasnt neccessarily the fault of the 'operator' or arm of the franchise as money always dictates the level of service you provide ie staff levels, training and investment etc. However WW sees no requirement for them now and is chopping the non-core (everything except LHR and T5) 'willy-nilly' and has no mercy.
Look at the UK Regions. We are facing a serious and critical review since the announcement that BAConnect is going to flybe.com. Justification to maintain the stations (EDI GLA ABZ and MAN) as BA Mainline stations with their own staff is currently being looked at by senior London based management and an announcement is due within weeks. With BAConnect making up the bulk of the regions daily work load, what future do we have without Connect? LGW is allegedly under the spotlight with loadfactors between the regions very poor although we are told that its easyjets fault... Really? Who said that Easyjet would never survive? A slap in the face for BA? LGW does its bit for the company and should be recognised accordingly. If LGW drops domestic UK flights then that leaves only LHR as a minline service. Can you honestly see BA keeping a full compliment of staff at the regional airports, with their terms and conditions and all the facilities (baggage office, ticketing desks, dispatch, loading section, check-in, restrooms etc) just for LHR? I dont think so. I would really like to beleive they would as I face unemployment through this. let me stress that NOTHING has been confirmed regarding our future in the regions yet, but the information we have, and from what we do know about WW then it does not look good at all. Oh, shouldnt forget our friends at Loganair. Guys, you will be next to leave the BA family - trust me.
Without the franchise agreements, the regions will suffer and sooner or later close. Handling agents can do the same job, for less. Give them a uniform and the public dont know the difference. By the way, Iam not having a go at handling agents. Ive been there and they work hard - looking after many airlines and provide the same service but at a lower cost than having in-house staff.
PS - The fuel surcharge issue, the pension nightmare, the move to T5 and the badly needed replacement for the B737/B747-400 (early models) as well as general fleet expansion issues, should keep WW in a job long after our futures are decided...
Look at the UK Regions. We are facing a serious and critical review since the announcement that BAConnect is going to flybe.com. Justification to maintain the stations (EDI GLA ABZ and MAN) as BA Mainline stations with their own staff is currently being looked at by senior London based management and an announcement is due within weeks. With BAConnect making up the bulk of the regions daily work load, what future do we have without Connect? LGW is allegedly under the spotlight with loadfactors between the regions very poor although we are told that its easyjets fault... Really? Who said that Easyjet would never survive? A slap in the face for BA? LGW does its bit for the company and should be recognised accordingly. If LGW drops domestic UK flights then that leaves only LHR as a minline service. Can you honestly see BA keeping a full compliment of staff at the regional airports, with their terms and conditions and all the facilities (baggage office, ticketing desks, dispatch, loading section, check-in, restrooms etc) just for LHR? I dont think so. I would really like to beleive they would as I face unemployment through this. let me stress that NOTHING has been confirmed regarding our future in the regions yet, but the information we have, and from what we do know about WW then it does not look good at all. Oh, shouldnt forget our friends at Loganair. Guys, you will be next to leave the BA family - trust me.
Without the franchise agreements, the regions will suffer and sooner or later close. Handling agents can do the same job, for less. Give them a uniform and the public dont know the difference. By the way, Iam not having a go at handling agents. Ive been there and they work hard - looking after many airlines and provide the same service but at a lower cost than having in-house staff.
PS - The fuel surcharge issue, the pension nightmare, the move to T5 and the badly needed replacement for the B737/B747-400 (early models) as well as general fleet expansion issues, should keep WW in a job long after our futures are decided...
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Sorry, but the notion, sometimes popular within BA, that the franchises did not deliver a product up to BA standrads is simply untrue. The franchises have consistently each outperformed BA in delivering each and every one of its own specifications,- and this is as measured by BA itself. The franchises have added enormously to the reach and effectiveness of BA's frequent flyer programmes in the provinces and have operated routes which for the most part would be totally uneconomic to BA with its high overheads and terms and conditions way above those paid by the regionals. Through their fees they have given BA, for almost no capital investment of its own,a guaranteed profit. Overseas , Comair has given BA a reach into the South African and southern Africa regional market that it could never have achieved on its own and which many competitors would dearly love. The pity was that BA lost interest in the franchising idea some time ago and what was a highly successful business is being left to wither on the vine. For those franchises which have been bought by BA there has been little chance of survival once the accountants have insisted they be donated a chunk of BA's central overheads, IT costs etc.
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