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Old 3rd Apr 2014, 16:47
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I've long thought that Gatwick has much to offer but was held back during its BAA days, the poor cousin to Heathrow. Whilst it will continue to live in the shadow of Heathrow whilst many airlines decide Heathrow is the be all & end all for them, at least Gatwick now has its own, very positive & strong voice.
LHR is the "be all & end all" for carriers because (1) that's where the premium business wants to be; (2) its hub status provides a wealth of connections with through ticketing (as opposed to self-connect which is mainly the case at LGW); and (3) the clustering effect that carriers (as is the case with all businesses) want to be where their competitors are.

It is not a criticism of LGW, far from it. The two airports have different roles and perform them well. It is pointless for LGW to attempt to be a mini-LHR in an attempt to obtain permission for another rwy. A second rwy at LGW or not should be assessed on the airport's own merits of which there are plenty.
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Old 8th Apr 2014, 21:47
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Flynas started to Jeddah today. If the route was to be very successful, do they have a higher number of frequencies they can use or are they limited to 3 per week? Can they serve other cities in Saudia?
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Old 11th Apr 2014, 20:33
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Saw A380 coming in this evening, impressive landing though seeing an EI A320 taking off before I had visions of a go round for Emirates.
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Old 13th Apr 2014, 11:23
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Obviously
London Gatwick Obviously for the UK's next runway
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Old 13th Apr 2014, 14:03
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Does anybody have any idea how the Norwegian Long Haul routes are selling? Their fares seem to be roughly in line with BA/VS at least during the peak season and they are generally a little cheaper outside it, I would assume this to be an indication that they are doing quite well?
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Old 14th Apr 2014, 09:38
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Aerlingus

Does anybody know how many based aircraft Aerlingus now have at LGW and what type are they.

Also what routes out of LGW do the based aircraft operate to.

I wasn't quite sure if they still have a base here or not !!!!

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Old 14th Apr 2014, 09:56
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I think they are down to just one A320 which over nights and operates the early morning DUB, NOC and a couple of other rotations to DUB. Not sure it is actually considered a base any more though.
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Old 14th Apr 2014, 10:12
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Thanks for the Info
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Old 14th Apr 2014, 19:56
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Thelingussource.com, good info on LGw activity
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Old 24th Apr 2014, 15:55
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Heavies at LGW

I worked for Laker from 1972-77 and Christmas 72 for about 10 days there was thick fog all over the UK and near Europe (PAR/AMS, etc.). LGW opened on and off more times than LHR some days and you would be amazed at the line up of B747's from Pan Am, Qantas, SAA, TWA, BA, etc. diverted from LHR and everywhere. We'd just taken delivery of the first 2 DC10's and they were soon busy doing back to back subcharters for Air France ORY-FDF and ORY-PTP.
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Old 28th Apr 2014, 08:51
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Next runway Gatwick?

Don't be so sure. Heathrow with an extended runway to twice its length is looking a much more attractive option. (as is the case in Madrid I believe)

All the infrastructure is there whereas at Gatwick transport would be a very real problem and already there are severe problems with the ADNID departure which changes the noise contours from extensions of the centreline to an additional finger to the southwest over the villages of Rusper and Warnham. Very hostile in those two places PLUS the government wants to push economic activity north of London and certainly not into the congested south where unemployment is at its lowest.

Add to that the " very odd" finances of the airport involving Cayman Island Companies , Channel Island companies, a Luxemburg entity and with all shares held by New York based
Finance operation, a Californian retirement fund, the Abu Dhabi Investment Authority, a South Korean Pension Fund and an Australian pension fund and it looks like a Vince Cable "look see". I would not count on Gatwick at all - in fact I would probably rule it out.
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Old 28th Apr 2014, 10:18
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Don't be so sure. Heathrow with an extended runway to twice its length is looking a much more attractive option.
The Heathrow split-runway proposal is included in the options purely as a makeweight. Nobody takes it seriously, which leaves LHR3 and LGW2 as the only proposals that are likely to survive to the next stage.

(as is the case in Madrid I believe)
I think you are mistaken.
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Old 28th Apr 2014, 13:00
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(as is the case in Madrid I believe)

MAD has four runways - two with 15/33 orientation and two with 18/36 orientation.


Regarding lengthening of LHR's northern runway westward: I guess the Queen would not mind ending up 2 miles closer to the end of the runway and with aircraft on approach over Windsor Castle 600 feet lower than today. The 1389 souls living in Rusper is definitely more important than the Queen.
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Old 28th Apr 2014, 14:39
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MAD is 14/32 now but otherwise yes you are correct
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Old 28th Apr 2014, 15:14
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The old intersecting Runway 18L/36R closed back in 2005 and is now part taxiway and mainly redundant concrete and a plant storage area.

Madrid might have 4 strips however the reality is only 3 can simultaneously and safely be used .

Departures off 32R are rare, avoided as they conflict with 36L.

Similar to Amsterdam the operational preferences are a single departure and 2 arrival strips with staggered spacings.

However none of that really relevant to a Gatwick thread !
The ATC also has to deal with the risk from conflicting traffic straight through the final stages of 32 approaches landing at Torrejon AB.
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Old 28th Apr 2014, 19:42
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Don't be so sure. Heathrow with an extended runway to twice its length is looking a much more attractive option. (as is the case in Madrid I believe)
The Heathrow split-runway proposal is included in the options purely as a makeweight. Nobody takes it seriously, which leaves LHR3 and LGW2 as the only proposals that are likely to survive to the next stage.
Technical and safety considerations aside, extending 09L/27R is a non-starter because to increase capacity, mixed mode would necessary on all rwys. This would be very hard/impossible to sell to the local residents.

The only one of the three proposals from Davies that will actually resolve the problem is the "northwest" rwy option.

A second rwy at LGW increases capacity there, but not where it's needed (i.e. at LHR) and does nothing to increase the UK's hub capacity.

As for a "makeweight", taking another look at the estaury option should also be in this category.
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Old 29th Apr 2014, 14:49
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Madrid might have 4 strips however the reality is only 3 can simultaneously and safely be used .
If in Northerly Config You Have simultaneous arrivals on 32L and 32R and simultaneous departures on 36L and 36R

That's 4 runways in use.

If Southerly you get simultaneous landings on 18L and 18R and simultaneous take offs on 14L and 14R

(4 Runways)

Never known anything take off on 32L/R unless 36L/R are closed.

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Old 29th Apr 2014, 15:52
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Shall we get back to talking about Gatwick here now?

Anybody know if BA have any new routes planned for the winter - FUE, LPA, AGA could help boost the year round capacity they have (the latter two are operated from LHR but at very low frequencies - 1/2 weekly).

TFS and ACE have apparently sold well so I guess they could see an increase this winter as it is usually the strongest time of year for the Canaries. Is SSH or HRG doable on the A320's or is the distance too close to being classed as 'long haul' by BA? I know the former has been tried before but a 777 with 40/48 CW seats and an overnighting crew was hardly ideal considering the competition there is on the route.

On the longhaul front there has been rumours of SXM being added as a tag on.
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Old 29th Apr 2014, 16:08
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Is SSH or HRG doable on the A320's or is the distance too close to being classed as 'long haul' by BA?
SSH was operated for BA by GB Airways, I think HRG was as well, both on the A320* series.
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Old 29th Apr 2014, 16:22
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SXM would be great for those of us that live in this part of the world, SXM. Would allow me to avoid LIAT and Antigua!
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