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Old 31st Jan 2008, 06:26
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Do airlines not have insurance policies to cover this eventuality ? As has been said -think there is more to it than this !!
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Old 31st Jan 2008, 10:51
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I think the vast majority of routes launched in the last few years have now been axed.

Liverpool, competing Amsterdam, Brussels, Kristiansund, Kristiansand, Alesund, Oslo - all gone. Really just Copenhagen & Gronigen that remain.

Aberdeen....one step forwards, TEN backwards......
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Old 31st Jan 2008, 11:48
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And they have the ba**s to blame it on another company when they were getting single figure loads, or was that statement just for the staff's sake?
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Old 31st Jan 2008, 12:02
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Being reported "other airlines" have approached airport bosses with a view to stepping into the breach on the OSL & KSU routes.

Can we take a punt as to who??????
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Old 31st Jan 2008, 12:17
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Richard you cannot create demand for all these destinations .... how many people exactly want to travel from Aberdeen to Alesund, Brussels, Kristiansund, Liverpool, Oslo?

Also how many flights do we need exactly to Stavanger?

As I have said before Houston? ... .don't make me laugh that will never happen in the proposed format.

Its not that people don't use the service to these destinations... they dont WANT it!
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Old 31st Jan 2008, 12:27
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Maybe, maybe not.

But the perception is STILL one step forwards, ten back.

But I have also acknowledged that punters who want these services have to USE it or LOSE it...or in this case, lose the airline.

Houston is a dead duck.

If THAT happens, I'll bare my arse in Marks & Spencer!!
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Old 31st Jan 2008, 12:45
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Richard you cannot create demand for all these destinations .... how many people exactly want to travel from Aberdeen to Alesund, Brussels, Kristiansund, Liverpool, Oslo?
Well choosing (randomly) May 2007....

Liverpool 6060 pax daily 737-800 = 98 pax per sector
Brussels 509 pax M-F Emb 135 = 11 pax per sector
Kristiansand 409 pax M-F Emb 135 = 9 pax per sector
Kristiansund 1370 pax M-Fx2 Su x1 D328 = 14 pax per sector
Oslo 1290 pax M-Fx 2 Su x1 D328 = 13 pax per sector

(Alesund didn't operate then and above assumes all scheduled sectors flown)

Liverpool obviously has demand but aircraft too big. Oslo and KristiansUnd at Business class fares probably just about sustainable with small turboprop but not sure that Dornier is the right one for operating costs.

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Old 31st Jan 2008, 12:53
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I don't get the philosophy that you decide to open a new route, find out if you didn't already know that destination is either over subscribed with other airlines or not particularly in demand then blame the public for not using it. City Stars demise is City Stars fault not the Aberdeen publics.

Take Stavanger - there wasn't even an attractive price differential so where was the demand going to come from? All that they were doing was diluting an existing market already well served by Wideroe / SAS and latterly Eastern.

Somebody somewhere doesn't do their homework in my opinion.
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Old 31st Jan 2008, 19:45
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Had a member of staff going to OSL a week ago last Monday and could not get on City Star as it was full with a waitlist, ended up going via SVG. Think there is a reasonable demand on that route for the appropriate aircraft.

Sad to see City Star go, I enjoyed my flights with them.
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Old 1st Feb 2008, 06:14
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Eastern v Flybe

Don't know if this came before or after the Flybe announcement of NCLABZ but T3 are to increase flights M-F from 5 to 6 & up capacity to solely Saab 2000s "to meet demand".

But it also looks like T3's own direct SOUABZ is a victim of this change so BE will have the only direct link between SOU & ABZ when it starts its service.

Meanwhile there are four forlorn Dorniers available................................
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Old 2nd Feb 2008, 08:34
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Inbound Globespan last night has a sick passenger on board.Paramedics are waiting for the aircraft.Guess what it has to wait 10-15 mins for a stand.The Globespan had not declared an emergency,but I think that is was unacceptable.
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Old 2nd Feb 2008, 15:29
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Cool Fly Be

Check the price difference between T3 and BE and I think BE will win. BE should get their act together and operate more flights out of ABZ. BE start their LGW flights as of 30 March but require more flights on a Saturday and a Sunday - someone has not been looking at the loads BA get at the weekend with holiday passengers.
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Old 2nd Feb 2008, 16:11
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I'm sure that Flybe will be keen to add extra LGW services if things progress well. I'm sure they'd launch them tomorrow if they thought they'd sell, however obtaining slots at LGW might be another thing.

It's quite possible that Flybe will offer the aircraft to the charter market on a Saturday/Sunday. they do numerous charters to places like the Italian Lakes and Corsica etc in the summer.
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Old 2nd Feb 2008, 17:20
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Househunter - yes there is a significant price difference FlybE against Eastern. However Eastern cater for the Business market who need/demand regular/frequent flights at convenient times which is what Eastern provide. FlyBE with one flight a day are not going to get many business travellers who don't want to spend a night in a hotel and waste time cos their meeting has finished but the next flight is tomorrow afternoon.

At FlyBE fares they need to sell 40+ seats for each flight (Dash 8 -400) to make money - Eastern fares mean they only have to sell 15-20 on a Saab. IMHO, National Express East Coast are going to be the losers....
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Old 2nd Feb 2008, 17:34
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NCLABZ has always been a popular route and lets face it Flybe are dipping their toe in the market on this route purely because the Q400 has a gap in the thrice daily NCLLGW schedules.

With an aircraft based at NCL from the end of March and one in ABZ too, it is likely that their is alot more to come from Flybe at both of these airports. Eastern will survive on NCLABZ for the time being, however once Flybe go anymore than once daily then Eastern will suffer. It maybe be possible to sustain both carriers but Eastern will be facing an uphill struggle to retain market share on the route.
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Old 2nd Feb 2008, 17:40
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Are Flybe basing a Q400 at Dyce? There's an E195 for LGW that will nightstop, but I wasn't aware Flybe were basing anything else here, as the Q400 flights originate outwith ABZ, ie. xxx-ABZ-xxx.

I'm sure it will happen mind you - maybe they're one of the airlines looking at OSL!!
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Old 2nd Feb 2008, 18:35
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Sorry, when I said 'aircraft' I was speaking generically. From the end of March there will be a Q400 based in NCL and an E195 in ABZ
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Old 3rd Feb 2008, 08:10
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Did they not already dip their toe in the market by offering Leeds - Aberdeen with the Q400 competing against Eastern. I know somebody mentioned that they stopped this, because the loads from Exeter direct to Aberdeen made this stop unwarranted. But if it was still succesful why did they stop it and not put another a/c on it.

Has anybody got any facts or figures regarding the pick-up in Leeds?
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Old 3rd Feb 2008, 09:03
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Wellington,

In a way yes they did do the same on LBAABZ however I feel that that situation was different. This time they are physically going to base an aircraft in NCL.

When the LBAABZ was operational there was no aircraft commited to LBA and none to ABZ making any increase over a daily rotation difficult to schedule however this is really what the route required. Flybe couldn't do this so decided to operate a direct EXT-ABZ-INV for the Summer 2008 season.

Flybe's Commerical guy has already indicated building up to 3 maybe 4 aircraft in NCL so you can bet that they'll be looking at routes that can sustain business flights in the morning/evening, it'd be hard to imagine that ABZ would not be one of those.

Likewise with Flybe commiting to an E195 in ABZ from the summer, then it is likely that they'll plan some Q400's in their too. When they do, then I would expect the ABZLBA to return on a double daily business schedule. No Flybe base has just one aircraft at present except INV, however that base is also being expanded with another aircraft and additional flights to EXT/BHX/SOU and MAN. Based on what Flybe have said I think it reasonable to anticipate the same for ABZ in time.
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Old 3rd Feb 2008, 13:02
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Eastern Hangar

I hear Scotia (CHC) tugs & tractors moving from the CHC apron ("The Den" - perhaps the airport foxes reside there, !) to the "Eastern Hangar" & back.

So are Eastern utilising the hangar yet (the old BA/Brymon hangar as was) or is it being leased to CHC?

I have heard JS41s & SB20s at the Caley Hangar, or Charlie/Delta aprons, but no actual a/c being taxied or towed to the Eastern one yet.

What is the latest position?
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