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Old 17th Nov 2006, 18:08
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Originally Posted by Richard Taylor
FR: 60-odd pax on a 738 both ways doesn't sound that encouraging.
The provisional CAA stats for October is showing an average 98 pax per flight on the new Ryanair Liverpool/Aberdeen route.
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Old 18th Nov 2006, 11:28
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With regards your Oslo arrival - Norway is not an EU Member state therefore different immigration rules apply hence segregation from an EU arriving flight.

One other point to remember is that despite the massive increase in International flights and passengers at Aberdeen over the last couple of years - I don't believe there has been any increase in Customs/Immigration staff numbers - perhaps that needs looked at by those in charge?

Not defending their actions - just putting forward a different perspective!

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Old 18th Nov 2006, 15:36
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Looks like Custom/Immigration rule the roost as far as International stands are concerned.Next time it happens I'll just back them up on W and tell the pilots to complain to them.Glooves .There seemed to be plenty of staff on the other night dishing out their special brand of glumness to everyone off the KLM.It does seem noticeable that the AMS gets the treatment,even though you were a transit pax and never left Schipol.They must sell wacky tulips I guess.Mind you more than one 737 load and you're standing outside anyway.
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Old 18th Nov 2006, 16:29
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Thanks for your comments in response to mine, throw a dyce!
I reckon the airport would run a lot more efficiently if pilots and ATC got together and told the BAA how to run Dyce!
It's been a long time since ATC jumpseated, is this a result of 9/11? I always thought it was a great way for each group to see each others operational problems.
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Old 18th Nov 2006, 17:48
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Originally Posted by dwlpl
The provisional CAA stats for October is showing an average 98 pax per flight on the new Ryanair Liverpool/Aberdeen route.
If the 738 can carry 180 passengers , then thats only about half.
They'll need to do better than that. Early days though, and is the 738 not seat restricted out of ABZ?
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Old 18th Nov 2006, 22:18
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Yes 9/11 put and end to the fam-flights virtually overnight.It's a very big step backwards,especially for younger Atcos who have never been up front.I have managed to see many types and it was all extremely usefull.But we are treated like terror suspects even going to work at security.I can think of some very easy ways of killing a lot of people in my job,but a tin of soup in my rucksack isn't at the top of the list.God only knows what we might do in a jump seat.
As for Dyce International it would be nice if the BAA would listen.There are times of the day when the place is absolutely full,and that's without anything going wrong.Many years ago they asked us for suggestions on improving the place;stands taxiways etc.Not one has appeared.Well the long waits on the taxiway will grow,and I really don't care anymore.If the pilots complain,then I just pass the buck.Even give out their phone number.
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Old 20th Nov 2006, 19:19
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Fam flights still exist and the fact that 9/11 stopped them is a myth however some companies will be more flexible than others! It seems the onus seems to be on the controller to arrange it rather than NATS etc teaming up with operators and offering fam flights to controllers and assistants - which of course would be easier! The fact that the trip neeeds to be done on a day off is another factor that might turn off some who may have hectic lives outside work and may not wish or can devote the time.

My current company and my previous have been more than willing to have ATCOs and ATSAs on the jumpseat on a fam flight (post 9/11) and the ops manual from my current company clearly states that ATC staff are allowed jumpseat access on pre-arranged fam flights. Normally a couple of e-mails between ATC and the operator concerned is all that is required and any bits of security paperwork getting filled in by the operator.
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Old 21st Nov 2006, 19:48
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LGW/& freight flights query

Reading about BA withdrawing/dropping/"suspending" their LGW-NCL flights at the end of March 2007, one of 3 LGW routes that BA are stopping, permanently or otherwise.

I was under the impression that pax numbers on LGW-ABZ were dropping (compared to 2005) or at least static - some flights full, others half full/half empty, depending on how you view it.

I wonder what the future holds for the route with BA, with rumours of them pulling out of LGW in favour of LHR T5.

Or does the oil industry ensure high yield pax wanting to connect on the likes of DFW & IAH.

Also re freight flights, notice BAC Express using a 360 on EMA, rather than Benair, who still do EDI with their 360. Are Benair down to one "Shed" now at ABZ, and will BAC eventually take over the other mail flight also.
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Old 24th Nov 2006, 22:17
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Benair/BAC

BenAir have one shorts here doing the Edi mail flight. The other BenAir shorts is in Belfast for a week doing mail to Gla. It will be back and then go to do mail charter from Inv for a while.
The reason for BAC getting the other mail run is (told by a BenAir pilot) that they (BAC) lost another contract down south and if they didn't get this one they would go into recievership.
Also Royalmail didn't want just one airline doing the mail flights after the Emerald fiasco earlier in the year.
Also Benair will have another Shorts arriving in Abz soon to make 3 based here.
Benair have 7 mail contracts in Scotland so far.

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Old 25th Nov 2006, 07:33
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Will we have an allotment for all these Sheds...

Presume they will park on the Alpha apron, or is there not enough room for all of them.

Given that we also see Metros & LET410s of Benair here at times too, they may need to get access to/build their own hangar???
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Old 27th Nov 2006, 19:09
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Donald Trump's "vision"

Looking at the plans for the "world's greatest golf course" offically lodged today he doesn't do things by half, does he?!

£1bn or $1bn, either way, a lot of dosh!!!

If he gets permission to go ahead, will ABZ really be "swamped" by golf tourists, on schedules & bizjets? Or is it one big white elephant.

Personally speaking, I hope he gets the OK to proceed, would rather see a potential multi-multi million pound boost to the local economy than a load of huggy-fluff environmental birdwatchers looking for an orange throated diver or whatever it is.
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Old 27th Nov 2006, 20:54
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White elephant.There are loads of golf courses already,and these people aren't going to spend mega bucks to come up here,and be blown off the side of a Balmedie sand dune.They will stay with Carnoustie,St Andrews etc.
As for the airport then it won't make any difference,apart from a few more golf bags at ''The carousel''.Trump will lose a lot of money and sell up,or pull the plug.
Why is it everywhere has to be covered in football pitches,or golf courses? Can we not leave things alone?
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Old 28th Nov 2006, 06:12
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Goldtrail holidays

Been told that ABZ appears as a potential UK departure point for 2007 with Goldtrail.

Dalaman, Antalya, Bodrum, Izmir, then Palma & Tenerife Sth appear as potential destinations, although these are shown for all UK departure points.

Thought Turkey was too far away without a runway extension, so maybe Goldtrail are waiting for this to be finally finally finally approved by councillors before anything is announced officially?

Don't think Goldtrail have offered holidays out of ABZ before.
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Old 28th Nov 2006, 19:06
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Direct to Cyprus used to be done so Turkey should be manageable. Eurocypria used to use a 320 and a 738.
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Old 9th Dec 2006, 08:35
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Thumbs up 17.4% !

Increase in pax nos. Nov 2006 v Nov 2005.

278,617 passed through ABZ the month just gone.

That's some increase.

Nos. boosted by LPL (RYR), BHX (Baby), TFS (GSM).

BHX fastest growing domestically (more than doubled) , EBJ internationally.

TFS & AGP had a 40% increase combined.

Full council votes on the runway ext next week, final Masterplan thereafter?
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Old 10th Dec 2006, 09:54
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Reappearance of Air Scotland??

ABZ appears in Air Scotland's booking engine, don't see any destinations though. INV, MME & HUY also appear as potential dept points.

So are Air Scotland considering a return to the ABZ market? What is it, 5 years or so since they were last here?

Flights first time around weren't a success, albeit where we were back then is a world away from the success story that is ABZ at the moment - well in terms of increasing passengers/movements at any rate!

Has ABZ always appeared in the booking engine, or is this recent.

What destinations could they serve, & what type a/c - 757?

As I recall, BCN & PMI were served last time, both now GSM destinations this coming summer.

Not necessarily the case they WILL launch anything, but why put ABZ on if you weren't planning anything.
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Old 13th Dec 2006, 15:30
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Runway Extension approved

Full Council have voted 33 - 6 in favour of the runway extension.

Common Sense 1 - 0 Huggy Fluffs!

However, will BAA proceed, given that OFT have recommended an enquiry into the BAA monopoly position at UK airports.
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Old 13th Dec 2006, 20:49
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Runway ext.

The runway ext. will begin in the new year. plans are all done and was just waiting for todays good news.

Hooray...

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Old 14th Dec 2006, 08:06
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Stu or anybody,

Will the BAA publish their Masterplan final draft soon, now that the ext has been approved?

Was watching the pathetic environmental protestors (all 20 of them!) outside the Town House protesting! I'll bet most of them drive to work, work in the oil industry & fly away on holidays!
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Old 14th Dec 2006, 13:58
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I'm sure they will Richard. If not on BAA website already

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