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Old 6th Nov 2008, 19:45
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DD,

The actual danger of collision I accept is debatable, my real annoyance is the high level of noise produced which is a danger to the hearing of my crew and I, as well as passengers boarding or disembarking on adjoining stands. This I witness regularly in Aberdeen.

I don't blame Eastern, as it saves them the cost of a push back. The BAA should be proactive in minimizing noise levels, but their priorities in Aberdeen are maximizing revenue. They are preoccupied in finding out where they can get another retail outlet, or another "huge corridor blocking ice cream vending machine". It's all about ££££££££££'s ! The poor old passenger, after waiting in cramped corridors in Aberdeen, is then exposed to aircraft noise which is only exceeded by the volume of the continuous deafening PA's which ring through these buildings!!

One of these days we need to start a thread on the management of this airport !
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Old 6th Nov 2008, 20:54
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Would suggest it is rather difficult trying to minimize noise levels at EGPD as long as there are noisy N.Sea helicopters around the place! Unless you get airbridges as one solution for protecting passengers from earache coming out from/into the terminal - & I can't see that happening either!
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Old 6th Nov 2008, 21:33
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Heli ops are unavoidable, there operation's are under strict health and safety scrutiny with various ear protection required.

Passengers getting on and off heli's are offered ear plugs. A turbo prop in reverse from a few metres away is at least as loud - painfully so. These pax don't have ear plugs, nor should they. Heli ops are a vital necessity - powerbacks certainly are not ! So why cause damage when it can be prevented ???

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Old 7th Nov 2008, 15:23
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If you feel that strongly about it then why don't you file an ASR?
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Old 7th Nov 2008, 16:13
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Wheeliebin,

Thanks for clarifying your position - I can see now exactly what you meant. Dependant upon whether there are any helicopters with engines running by the tower (which can be an issue for us even with headsets on), it is possible to hear the powerbacks even from behind the glass in the VCR, so I hate to think what they sound like from next stand.

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Old 7th Nov 2008, 20:24
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West Air, Eastern freight tie-up

I read that Eastern have signed some sort of agreement with West Air who do a OSL-SVG-ABZ service, anyone know more?
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Old 8th Nov 2008, 08:02
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You mean West Atlantic!! Aparently West air and Atlantic of Coventry have signed a deal to merge the two companies.
More on this thread. http://www.pprune.org/freight-dogs/3...-airlines.html.
And more changes on the freight front.
The Sheds have just done their last Post office run.
Aparently Loganair will be taking over from Monday night with a pair of Saab 340 freighters.
Does that mean the end of Bin Air at Aberdeen? Or is the Let staying for the Shetland Orkney mail?

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Old 8th Nov 2008, 09:22
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OSL-SVG-ABZ service is no more.
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Old 9th Nov 2008, 12:20
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Golf Tourism

Thanks for clarifying, all.

So looks like we may be getting Trump/Lawrie/Nicklaus, with maybe a revamp of Hazlehead to come.

What do people think? Good or bad for the area?

Credit Crunch (I hate that phrase!) notwithstanding, will they all get built?

If built, will they attract the tourists, golfers or high-rollers?

Could we get more inbound investment on the back of this, Trump name especially?

Will anything be different or change at the airport? New bizjet apron for the hoardes for Citations or Gulfies?! New parking spot for Trump's 727?

Joking , but to be serious although I personally am all for the developments - we need something else as oil runs down - will all these projects come to fruition, or the phrase (as used by TAD before) "White Elephant(s)" come to mind? Will it bring in the passengers, be it on schedules or private charters/owned bizjets?

Must say looking oot the windae, I cannae imagine onybody playing golf in 'thon!
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Old 9th Nov 2008, 15:51
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Globespan

Has the Egypt flight been taken off sale?? It's still on the drop down list on the departures from ABZ but you can't choose any departure or return dates.
Lack of interest or all flights full??

stu...

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Old 9th Nov 2008, 17:56
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Use it or lose it dont they say....? Noone was planning to use it...so they lost it. Simple as. Hardly surprising. Too niche I felt for such a route. Perhaps in a few years time.
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Old 9th Nov 2008, 18:02
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Does anyone know how "safe" the Gran Canaria flight is??

I have tickets booked and have not yet booked our accomodation as I am worried the flight may get pulled as well.
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Old 9th Nov 2008, 18:40
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Gsm: Abz-ssh

Wouldn't say the ABZ-SSH route was too niche just too damn expensive particularly if you wanted accommodation as well which was vastly overpriced compared to other operators. Granted the majority of current holiday travellers up here stick to what they know but there are still a good lot of us who would have used the route at the right price. Why pay through the nose when you can travel to EDI/GLA or even fly to LGW/LHR or MAN and still pick up a better deal even with that additional travelling expense. A real shame, as ABZ takes one step forward and two back again

C2lass - hopefully you will be ok, unfortunately cannot speculate any more than that in the current climate. Gran Canaria tends to be similar to Tenerife which is always popular and is maybe not so scary for some Aiberdonians
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Old 9th Nov 2008, 19:02
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With all these new golf devolpments it is bound to bring more people to the area. But the airport and Council have to put their plans and promises into action NOW! The bypass was needed years ago, and as usual there's more talking to be done about it before any work will start. We almost lost Trump's project if it weren't for the scottish parliament jumping in to correct our councils mistake! The main point though, our airport!! The plans of runway extension must go through. April is the latest (though only part of it), this HAS to happen with no more slippage. Upgrading the baggage & arrivals too. The airport needs to give our visitors / golfers a good first impression, good facilities and flight routes will be a good start......
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Old 9th Nov 2008, 19:53
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Mr. G and DD

I won't rave on too much more about "powerbacks". But just for your info, I have filed ASR's and passed on my concern in NATS's feedback form. I felt it was relevant to ATC as we cannot hear their transmissions if a "powerback" is in process on an adjoining stand. I haven't heard back as yet, though they may be following it up ??? They are an unnecessary evil (powerbacks, not ATC )

Cheers Mr Bin
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Old 9th Nov 2008, 20:43
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Waste of money.

I remember when it was one or maybe two Dakota (Pionair) a week . Should spend the money on a new Airport at Stirling and link up with the rest of the world . Its just over 50 years since the runway was extended and that was not for civil aircraft it was for the Vampires of 612.Fifty years from now and the talk will be "need a bigger Airport".
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Old 10th Nov 2008, 13:16
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(See also Eastern Airways thread)

IAC have awarded an interim (7 Feb 2009 - 30 June 2010) contract for Aberdeen - Scatsta flights to Eastern Airways with Saab 2000's.

A brief article here : Eastern Airways wins North Sea Oil contract | Shephard Group

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Old 10th Nov 2008, 19:37
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Thats the problem with GSM. Pulling routes left right and centre and people get twitchy and worried about whether they should book with them and how safe their current bookings are. I predict DLM will be next for the chop.
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Old 11th Nov 2008, 07:22
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Eastern awarded IAC contract

Fact: Two out of the three final contenders withdrew and Eastern awarded by default.

Anyhow, they are being informed that the turbo-prop is more modern, quieter and will be far more comfortable and the 146. That's reassuring.
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Old 11th Nov 2008, 07:27
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Re Globespan and SSH has there been any formal announcement? Notice that ABZ to SSH has now gone from their website?
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