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See 4/7 LHR flights canx today & we had our first LGW flights for a couple of days yesterday.
Tighter security notwithstanding, is it just my imagination or are BA (proportionally) canx more ABZ flights f/t London than any other domestic destination? They managed to operate most flights (to LHR) yesterday so what is the problem today?
Local leaders are becoming concerned that, if this continues, it will impact the local economy.
It's not the first time over the years that BA have been accused of being all too ready to impact ABZ flights when a problem arises.
So are BA committed to ABZ - London flights?
And who is to blame for the security chaos? BA (remember they made many ground handling staff redundant last year & I recall the disruption then as BA didn't have enough staff to cope when the Catering Dispute was in full swing)? BAA for not having contingency plans when the Govt introduced the tighter measures (& to my mind BAA WEREN'T ready for it, no matter what they tell you)? The Govt/Dept of Transport for overkill in the wake of the alert? Can't help thinking the terrorists in this alleged plot may think they have a victory anyway thanks to the disruption that has ensued.
There will come a time when LHR flights will reduce, hopefully by then there may be more direct European routes from ABZ. Can't come soon enough given BA's "commitment" to providing a service (I use the term loosely) out of ABZ.
Tighter security notwithstanding, is it just my imagination or are BA (proportionally) canx more ABZ flights f/t London than any other domestic destination? They managed to operate most flights (to LHR) yesterday so what is the problem today?
Local leaders are becoming concerned that, if this continues, it will impact the local economy.
It's not the first time over the years that BA have been accused of being all too ready to impact ABZ flights when a problem arises.
So are BA committed to ABZ - London flights?
And who is to blame for the security chaos? BA (remember they made many ground handling staff redundant last year & I recall the disruption then as BA didn't have enough staff to cope when the Catering Dispute was in full swing)? BAA for not having contingency plans when the Govt introduced the tighter measures (& to my mind BAA WEREN'T ready for it, no matter what they tell you)? The Govt/Dept of Transport for overkill in the wake of the alert? Can't help thinking the terrorists in this alleged plot may think they have a victory anyway thanks to the disruption that has ensued.
There will come a time when LHR flights will reduce, hopefully by then there may be more direct European routes from ABZ. Can't come soon enough given BA's "commitment" to providing a service (I use the term loosely) out of ABZ.
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I also see GLA & EDI have some canx flights.
BA won't reduce flights to LHR (In the near future anyway), as ABZ has more (full fare paying) business pax than any other airport in the uk. (LHR apart).
The BA executive lounge at ABZ I was told is the busiest in the UK. Apart from LHR.
BMI won't be complaining as they're cleaning up at the moment.
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BA won't reduce flights to LHR (In the near future anyway), as ABZ has more (full fare paying) business pax than any other airport in the uk. (LHR apart).
The BA executive lounge at ABZ I was told is the busiest in the UK. Apart from LHR.
BMI won't be complaining as they're cleaning up at the moment.
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I hear what you say Stu. 
However if that is the case, shouldn't BA be making MORE of an effort to put as many of its ABZ flights as possible?
They surely risk losing these people to bmi, exec jets, or other modes of transport.
Can't believe BAA would tell BA to canx so many ABZ flights - they would leave that to the operator.
BA must think it is easiest just to canx ABZ & be done with it, in the hope all the business types stick to collecting their airmiles etc, & forgive BA for the canx flights. One day they may not.
However if that is the case, shouldn't BA be making MORE of an effort to put as many of its ABZ flights as possible?
They surely risk losing these people to bmi, exec jets, or other modes of transport.
Can't believe BAA would tell BA to canx so many ABZ flights - they would leave that to the operator.
BA must think it is easiest just to canx ABZ & be done with it, in the hope all the business types stick to collecting their airmiles etc, & forgive BA for the canx flights. One day they may not.
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Eastern ABZ expansion
Reading T3 to launch 4 new routes at ABZ, in different stages of development. A couple at "advanced" stage. Wonder if CWL will be one. Also LCY? And will any be international?
ALso a 2nd SYY rotation from winter timetable.
Strong growth apparently on all T3 ABZ flights.
Wonder what a/c type T3 will use?
(New stands 15 & 16 in use now. Will this mean the end of "double parking" at ABZ?)
ALso a 2nd SYY rotation from winter timetable.
Strong growth apparently on all T3 ABZ flights.
Wonder what a/c type T3 will use?
(New stands 15 & 16 in use now. Will this mean the end of "double parking" at ABZ?)
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Good to hear eastern expanding even more at ABZ.
Ibiza, Menorca and Reus added to next summers charter flights (yippee more choice). Pity Faro wasn't included though.
An incident has happened this morning concerning an ATR parked on the echo apron.
Handbrake seemingly failed and rolled into the fence and ripped it. also puncturing the aircraft skin. (haven't got the whole story yet at work).
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Ibiza, Menorca and Reus added to next summers charter flights (yippee more choice). Pity Faro wasn't included though.
An incident has happened this morning concerning an ATR parked on the echo apron.
Handbrake seemingly failed and rolled into the fence and ripped it. also puncturing the aircraft skin. (haven't got the whole story yet at work).
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Still have Flyglobespans expansion to come though, I'd guess there'd be a FAO flight in there, even if it is 2 weekly. I think the list of destinations include: TFS/ALC/AGP/PMI/BCN/PRG/FAO/STN?/ACE
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Think globespan won't touch AGP since Monarch are doing that and I would be surprised if they touch STN since they decided to throw away their domestic network with EDI and GLA to STN being ditched!
I think you will see TFS continuing plus PMI, BCN, ALC, NCE, FAO & PFO!
I think you will see TFS continuing plus PMI, BCN, ALC, NCE, FAO & PFO!
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Globespan don't have much direct competition from their other Scottish bases with other scheduled operators and I am sure they would like to continue that. The market that they will enter into in Aberdeen is limited and untested and we all remember the poor loads that apparently forced Air Scotland to axe its short stay in Aberdeen.
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I think it's safe to say things have changed at ABZ since Air Scotland days.
At that time, the local economy was in a downturn due to lower levels of oil activity & dropping pax nos. at ABZ reflected this.
ABZ currently BAA Scotland's fastest growing in terms of pax nos.
However as pointed out, catchment area is lower, so for Flyglobespan & the rest, it's a case of "suck it & see".
Monarch launched AGP, & it's worked for them.
However LPL has proved a failure down the years - remains to be seen if RYR will make it work.
GSM may find some routes they launch will work, others will not be so successful.
The trick is finding out.
At that time, the local economy was in a downturn due to lower levels of oil activity & dropping pax nos. at ABZ reflected this.
ABZ currently BAA Scotland's fastest growing in terms of pax nos.
However as pointed out, catchment area is lower, so for Flyglobespan & the rest, it's a case of "suck it & see".
Monarch launched AGP, & it's worked for them.
However LPL has proved a failure down the years - remains to be seen if RYR will make it work.
GSM may find some routes they launch will work, others will not be so successful.
The trick is finding out.
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Timings seem to have changed.
Today has seen the timings changed from Arr 0920/0950 Dept, to Arr 1550/1620 Dept.
Is this only temporary or a permanent change.
To my mind this timing is not as "business friendly" as the morning arrival, unless this is a prequisite to another rotation being introduced soon.
Today has seen the timings changed from Arr 0920/0950 Dept, to Arr 1550/1620 Dept.
Is this only temporary or a permanent change.
To my mind this timing is not as "business friendly" as the morning arrival, unless this is a prequisite to another rotation being introduced soon.
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Local radio (Northsound) reporting bmi Baby as launching BHX-ABZ flights from end Oct, 2x daily M-F.
Brum bunfight on the cards if Flybe don't do what they did with NWI & actually launch the route.
Could see BACon v bmi B v Flybe.
Brum bunfight on the cards if Flybe don't do what they did with NWI & actually launch the route.
Could see BACon v bmi B v Flybe.
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Anyone know any more about the 4 new Routes for Eastern out of Aberdeen. Also if SYY is getting a second daily flight does anyone know what time of day they will be ?
Will they be upgrading to a J41 ?
Will they be upgrading to a J41 ?
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Apparently X9 were going to announce a new domestic route from ABZ last Sun, but had a "change of heart" & are now looking at another domestic route instead. However no announcements re this expected before early 2007.
Wonder which domestic route they decided against.
Re T3, my guesses are CWL, LCY, KOI, LSI. I read they were not planning any international routes from ABZ & I recall they said a couple of years back that they would consider KOI & LSI, but at that time were put off by competing against a BA franchise. I know nothing's changed in that regard, but I wonder if they've changed their minds.
Was also a snippet in the paper re IAH. Didn't say anything new, except that no funding to fly any route had been agreed/secured. Given the EU's intentions to stop Route Development Funding for long haul routes to Scotland (from May 07) I wonder if this will stymie any supposed IAH-ABZ route.
Wonder which domestic route they decided against.
Re T3, my guesses are CWL, LCY, KOI, LSI. I read they were not planning any international routes from ABZ & I recall they said a couple of years back that they would consider KOI & LSI, but at that time were put off by competing against a BA franchise. I know nothing's changed in that regard, but I wonder if they've changed their minds.
Was also a snippet in the paper re IAH. Didn't say anything new, except that no funding to fly any route had been agreed/secured. Given the EU's intentions to stop Route Development Funding for long haul routes to Scotland (from May 07) I wonder if this will stymie any supposed IAH-ABZ route.
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The Rock with Eastern?
On T3's refurbished website it is showing IOM as a destination from ABZ, & vice versa, but nothing bookable yet.
Looks like Ronaldsway could be the first of the new routes T3 have been talking about.
Has ABZ had flights to IOM before - seem to remember Air Ecosse flying a route. Might be wrong though.
And still to be confirmed of course.
Looks like Ronaldsway could be the first of the new routes T3 have been talking about.
Has ABZ had flights to IOM before - seem to remember Air Ecosse flying a route. Might be wrong though.
And still to be confirmed of course.
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Ryanair's 2nd route t/f ABZ starts tomorrow, LPL. Will they meet with any success or will it go the same way as previous attempts to link the two cities down the years?
T3 IOM is apparently a connection via NCL. Doesn't appear in the dests list now for ABZ, neither does LCY.
T3 IOM is apparently a connection via NCL. Doesn't appear in the dests list now for ABZ, neither does LCY.
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I think the new LPL route will be a success.The oil industry in Aberdeen plus, both city's large student populations and the fact that both city's are growing city-break markets will provide a stable market for the new flights.
Does anyone think there is a chance of a new ABZ-ORK flight, maybe with Eastern airlines??
Does anyone think there is a chance of a new ABZ-ORK flight, maybe with Eastern airlines??