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Old 12th Nov 2014, 07:26
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Flybe reopens base

As reported on the Flybe thread.

A four-aircraft base, Dash 8 from March 2015.

Good news indeed; interesting to see what routes they will launch.
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Old 12th Nov 2014, 08:12
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flybe base

here's hoping they bring back Gatwick
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Old 12th Nov 2014, 09:49
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4 aircraft? That's very good news!

One for MAN, one for LCY, one for LBA, what else I wonder.

They expressed an interest in Scandinavia recently along with extra MAN & BHX. I would like to see an increase on BHD. I personally wouldn't be surprised to see them enter AMS or Paris, but nonetheless it will be interesting to see what comes of this.
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Thought the embraer was doing manchester? Maybe do some holiday destinationsif they can base a 195, 118 seats to Alicante or something, even more Malaga, lots of choices given globespan used to carry a lot of pax when they operated out of egpd
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They want rid of the E195 asap. Leasing costs high.
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all routes are loaded on their route map now, Aberdeen to Paris is now showing
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Old 12th Nov 2014, 11:02
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all routes are loaded on their route map now, Aberdeen to Paris is now showing
I believe that this is their codeshare agreement with Air France.
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Old 12th Nov 2014, 12:10
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On a separate not where are all the aircraft going to park, especially overnight? Is this a reason big enough for the airport to invest in more stands, potentially more international stands South of stand 1. Thinking about it with 4 dash 8's, normally 2 ba a320's during summer, Virgin, air France, klm, lufthansa, wideroe, bmi x 2, eastern x up to 6, logainair x up to 6, there are only currently 18 stands I count up to 25 aircraft plus a few others can be added as well, so perhaps the airport should get a move on building more stands for based aircraft but also to attract new routes especially international ones.
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Not due back to work until tomorrow gave me the chance to look at the Flybe website earlier, just in case there was something new - but couldn't see anything different thus far. No doubt the based a/c will take up some of the current flying duties.

I think LCY will remain with Loganair to be operated on Flybe's behalf. A business route principally, the Saab 2000 is much the best aircraft (faster) to operate that route vs. the Dash (assuming we never see a jet on it again). It's showing 3x daily on the S15 dates I looked at, & it really needs the fastest available a/c on it I feel.

BHX will likely remain non-based - wonder if we'll see an early outbound one day, as I think BE322 at 0850 is the first outbound as a turnaround after the inbound BHX at 0820.

MAN will be a mix of based/non-based. S15 has five rotations M-F, so not sure if extra freqs can be added especially as I am assuming the 175 will make an appearance on some rotations. Maybe a sixth rotation on some days?

The LBA/SOU/JER 'shuttle' will I agree be partly-operated by one of the based a/c.

Like Capt D, agree BHD might be due an extra rotation, either morning or evening.

The CDG is a codeshare with AFR so assume this will continue.

I note Flybe are launching some non-based flying to/from STN. Appears a NCL-STN route is in the offing; could ABZ get a STN route again? Could they try EMA with the Dash with an early dept... or even an 'east coast' shuttle, a la Air UK?

Would be surprised to see AMS... I doubt pax would want to jump from a KLM jet onto a Dash 8, unless Flybe go after a different market. I could see a RTM route on a Dash 8 though.

More to Scandi? To be honest, I can't see where to right at this moment given Norway seems 'full up', but we'll see... maybe they're looking beyond Norway??
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Old 12th Nov 2014, 17:45
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I think LCY will remain with Loganair to be operated on Flybe's behalf. A business route principally, the Saab 2000 is much the best aircraft (faster) to operate that route vs. the Dash (assuming we never see a jet on it again). It's showing 3x daily on the S15 dates I looked at, & it really needs the fastest available a/c on it I feel.
Must only have been added today - I'm not sure Loganair have got enough Saab 2000's to run the LCY come S14 because EDI have one, GLA have for their MAN and ABZ needs for the Shetland runs as well. Currently scheduled as a Dash.

MAN will be a mix of based/non-based. S15 has five rotations M-F, so not sure if extra freqs can be added especially as I am assuming the 175 will make an appearance on some rotations. Maybe a sixth rotation on some days?
MAN was 6x daily 1-4 this Summer and Winter so I'd be surprised to see this cut down to 5x. I'd expect 3x Dash and 3x MAN based E75.

BHX will likely remain non-based - wonder if we'll see an early outbound one day, as I think BE322 at 0850 is the first outbound as a turnaround after the inbound BHX at 0820.
BHX is up more than 30% this year so far without any frequency increases but maybe OltonPete can clarify this? Some days the schedule can still be a bit top-heavy at certain times of the day.
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BHX-ABZ

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Yes BHX-ABZ can certainly be counted as one of flybe's most improved routes in terms of pax and lack of extra seats. Although I think the four a day in the week has operated more regularly than it has in the past with the mid-morning BHX departure often disappearing mid-week in years gone-by. This summer it seemed more consistent.

As for the passenger distribution of the flight I am not sure other than most BHX flybe routes used to be heavily weighted to fantastic loads in late afternoon early evening with mid-week early morning departures the slouches.

This seems to have altered slightly with most flybe loads ex BHX pretty damn good especially April - October.

As for the Aberdeen routes next summer there appears to be only two 175 flights a day in the week, one from BHX and one from MAN. BHX is showing nine 175's next summer in the evening and although this is likely to end up at eight it appears one is coming from the ABZ-MAN route at the moment but of course it is early days and could change.

Looking at ABZ-LCY for summer it appears to be some change in progress with three outbounds on the Dash but two ABZ inbounds within 20 minutes at night and the one is grey-out so you can't book. My guess is that BHX-ABZ will reverse again and become Aberdeen based if ABZ is to have four based.

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Old 13th Nov 2014, 15:45
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Some of the Scandi flights could look sick soon - oil price continues to head south and Statoil are starting to mothball rigs.........

That's the problem with Aberdeen - there probably isn't a city in the UK that is so dependent on one industry
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Old 13th Nov 2014, 17:39
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Perhaps abrrdeen city should of invested money while the going was good, same for the airport, gonna be too late soon
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Old 13th Nov 2014, 18:16
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Everyone in the analysis game seem to think the floor will be reached soon with regard to how low the oil price will go.

But in a 'free' market, I see no reason why the price couldn't fall to $20-30 a barrel - oil isn't the best-loved or most required commodity right now. Tensions in the ME no longer carry a premium on the price. And with fracking/shale, the US no longer requires to import, leaving oversupply.

Great for industry in general... not great if your industry is oil.

However regardless of price, I always thought cuts were coming down the line anyway.

I agree with Harry's sentiments, I fear. Serious belt-tightening ahead.

Re Flybe, local paper this morning saying they may announce one further domestic route, as well as Scandi opportunities.
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Old 13th Nov 2014, 19:04
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Perhaps flybe could pick up where air Baltic left off, riga had good load factors, dash 8 would always be full and not too sure flybe are too concerned about business class pax
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The oil price always overshoots

BBC News - Oil prices likely to fall further, says IEA

Oil prices are likely to continue falling well into 2015, the International Energy Agency has said.

The IEA, a consultancy to 29 countries, said weak demand and the US shale gas boom meant crude's recent fall below $80 a barrel was not over.

On Friday, Brent crude, one of the major price benchmarks, traded at $78.13 a barrel, near a four-year low.

"It is increasingly clear that we have begun a new chapter in the history of the oil markets," the IEA said. "Barring any new supply problems, downward price pressures could build further in the first half of 2015." The organisation, set up after the "oil shock" of the early 1970s to advise major oil importing countries, said that pressure was building on the Opec oil producers' group to restrict supply to bolster prices. However, there have been reports that Saudi Arabia, Opec's key member, is not yet willing to turn off the taps. Opec members are due to meet on 27 November to discuss the supply and demand issues.

Also, it is likely that oil and gas explorers will become increasingly worried that falling prices will make exploration uneconomical. Brent has fallen for eight weeks in a row, its longest losing streak since 1988, according to Reuters' data.
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Old 14th Nov 2014, 16:41
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Who'd be an oil analyst these days? It's all guesswork!

My guess is $20-30 a barrel...
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maybe Wee Eck will go back to an honest living - he used to forecast the oil price way back.....................
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Old 16th Nov 2014, 16:57
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Some of the Scandi flights could look sick soon
Perhaps sooner than we thought, Eastern have dropped SVG and are now codesharing with WF. There's some spin on their website about this.
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Here is a story on the T3/WF codeshare:

Eastern Airways announces new codeshare agreement with Wideroe

Wonder if Flybe may pounce on a SVG route?
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