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Old 13th Oct 2014, 07:23
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Pax increase

344,000 for September up nearly 7%, movements up 10%, cargo down.
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Old 13th Oct 2014, 12:18
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"The runway is too short by a good 500m and the apron would need vastly expanding"

extending the runway etc is a damn site cheaper than rebuilding the terminal - and both are needed IMHO

but after 30+ years I'm not holding my breath - the main improvement in the last few years has been making the car park two storey and extending the cover on the taxi rank - hardly massive efforts
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Old 13th Oct 2014, 16:57
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HH, I dont disagree.

My point is that whilst all the building around the airport is great for jobs, the airport has little room for expansion, particularly if people are perhaps expecting Dyce to handle heavies. If you are talking a new terminal, I agree this is fanciful, again for the same reason, lack of space, unless they can build a second level?
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Old 13th Oct 2014, 18:09
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and where are all these pax (inbound and outbound) coming from to fill and justify "heavies" ex ABZ ?
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Old 13th Oct 2014, 18:25
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Looking at Aberdeen growth especially this year where it is 8% which no airport is doing is really good, although this could easily be increased especially with rumoured airlines wanting to operate out of Aberdeen to places like Eastern Europe but the problem has been no international stands. Facts at abz are lack of stands and terminal is far too small even to cope with current pax.

I agree wide body services are unlikely till the runway is extended a further 500-600m, and apron is expanded to accommodate such aircraft but until airport is sold nothing is getting built and no money is getting spent, real shame as Aberdeen is desperate for investment and lots of it
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Old 13th Oct 2014, 19:46
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but until airport is sold nothing is getting built
No indication from airport that this is the case. Their press release indicated that the new security area will be complete next year.
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Old 14th Oct 2014, 05:13
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Emirates could perhaps be persuaded to add an ABZ leg onto their existing NCL flights (assuming the facilities were suitably upgraded of course).

They would have seen a loss of a lot of passengers departing from ABZ after the loss of the BMI flights to Heathrow and Manchester.

Nowadays, the best opportunity to get into ABZ from Dubai, flying with Emirates is connecting with BA in Heathrow, but these flights are often double the cost of flying with BA on both legs.

Not sure if they would get the passenger loads on a daily basis to make it worthwhile, but I would imagine that there would be an opportunity to make some money on the cargo side of things which would be fairly limited from NCL.
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Old 14th Oct 2014, 17:51
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Why would Emirates want to add an Aberdeen leg onto their Newcastle service? I cannot see the sense in that - it would miss the current connecting banks and take a lot of additional aircraft time for very little return. It won't happen.


Why would cargo opportunities be better at Aberdeen than at Newcastle? Don't tell me Seafood and Scotch which, one assumes, is already being carried out of Glasgow?
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Old 14th Oct 2014, 19:53
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Unless something has changed,the largest aircraft that could park on the apron at ABZ is a B767-300.Anything bigger has to be wriggled on Rwy 23.
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Old 15th Oct 2014, 05:17
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Why would Emirates want to add an Aberdeen leg onto their Newcastle service? I cannot see the sense in that - it would miss the current connecting banks and take a lot of additional aircraft time for very little return. It won't happen.


Why would cargo opportunities be better at Aberdeen than at Newcastle? Don't tell me Seafood and Scotch which, one assumes, is already being carried out of Glasgow?
Oil industry equipment mainly with both Aberdeen and Dubai being large hubs for the oil industry and just about every oil service company having workshops in both cities.

Seafood and Scotch didn't enter my mind, but now you mention it, it would also be extra capacity on top of the Glasgow flights. I can't imagine they get too many pallets of Newcastle Brown Ale on the existing NCL flights.

If they could pick up enough passengers and cargo stopping off at Aberdeen to cover the costs of doing so, I would suspect that it may interest them as not only will it bring back many customers they previously had in and around the city, it may also draw customers along the east coast away from Qatar/EY at Edinburgh.

Then again, it may not give them any financial benefit, and the NCL loads might be strong enough as it is, but overall, still more viable than a dedicated DXB-ABZ service.
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Old 15th Oct 2014, 05:41
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but I would imagine that there would be an opportunity to make some money on the cargo side of things which would be fairly limited from NCL.
My understanding is that EK cargo is doing very well out of NCL
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Old 16th Oct 2014, 08:34
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can't see a problem for emirates to start a couple of flights a week to places like ABZ and Bristol if the runways were extended

Soak up a few more passengers from BA, keep one of your smaller aircraft busy and build traffic
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Old 16th Oct 2014, 12:04
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What smaller aircraft did you have in mind in EK with necessary capability and sticking to EK trusted model of operation?
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Old 16th Oct 2014, 13:14
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A330-200 is the smallest Emirates aircraft.
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Old 16th Oct 2014, 15:32
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...exactly. Aint happening with over 250 seats
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Old 16th Oct 2014, 17:19
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Meanwhile...

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp...lights-canada/

Don't shoot the messenger!

Good to dream I guess, but I suspect that's all it'll ever be.
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Old 16th Oct 2014, 18:24
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According to the inflight blurb on Emirates, they (Emirates) have an Airbus 319CJ for VIP charters, however I doubt you will see this in Dyce either
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Old 16th Oct 2014, 20:13
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Ferrovial and Macquarie fund acquire Aberdeen, Glasgow and Southampton Airports for 1,048 million pounds - Ferrovial

Newsrooms today say 'sold' when it's the agreement to purchase that's been signed today by Ferrovial/Macquarie. As good as I suppose - but until the transaction completes in Jan 2015, the three airports remain under HAH.
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Old 18th Oct 2014, 22:51
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Maybe the new owners are already trying a resurrection of a Houston plan ?
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Old 18th Oct 2014, 22:55
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Houston was in discussion again actually.. along with WestJet to Canada. They are both off the boil for now as far as im lead to believe (unsurprisingly)
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