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I saw that story TAD. According to the airport spokesman, it was not practical to have a Cat 2/3 because the hills around would interfere with the signal.
The hills are alive with the sound of bullsh*t, or any credence in what they claim?
The hills are alive with the sound of bullsh*t, or any credence in what they claim?
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I think they perhaps missed a chance with the runway extension.There was a lot of excavating required at the northwest end I reckon,and upgraded lights which could have been put in at the time.The holding points would have to have been pulled back,and whether that took in some taxiways then I don't know.
However it has been a problem for as long as I can remember,and I've been on that bus a few times as well.
It just seemed ironic that the operations side of the airport is the same old problems that ATC,Airlines etc have to sort out,when the BAA are branding the place as something that it just isn't.An International Airport.It's Dyce with a 70's terminal,and basic ILS equipment that isn't much better,because there hasn't been the will or money to do anything else.
You would think the ex boss of a bus company would be rejoicing instead of complaining.
However it has been a problem for as long as I can remember,and I've been on that bus a few times as well.
It just seemed ironic that the operations side of the airport is the same old problems that ATC,Airlines etc have to sort out,when the BAA are branding the place as something that it just isn't.An International Airport.It's Dyce with a 70's terminal,and basic ILS equipment that isn't much better,because there hasn't been the will or money to do anything else.
You would think the ex boss of a bus company would be rejoicing instead of complaining.
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Why don't they just invest in GPS/RNAV approaches through EGNOS?
In the medium term I am sure this will change but nothing changes in a hurry over critical equipment/procedures like that.
Most current RNAV 'installations' are to replace Non-Precision Approaches like VOR and NDB ones.
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End of CDG?
Noticed on the Air France booking system that the AF flights disappear at the start of W13.
All other UK airports have their flights loaded but ABZ is just showing via AMS.
Will be a big blow if thats the case
EDIT - Really looks like I'm right as KLM are set to introduce a third mainline rotation in the mornings from W13
All other UK airports have their flights loaded but ABZ is just showing via AMS.
Will be a big blow if thats the case
EDIT - Really looks like I'm right as KLM are set to introduce a third mainline rotation in the mornings from W13
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I'm sure LH are partially to blame but CDG still carried 108,000 in 2012 (down from 118,000 in '11) when they used the E190 in '11 and the E170 for nearly all of 2012.
I know loads may mean little and I can't imagine there is much O&D traffic with r/t tickets at £250-300 minimum so possibly too many connecting pax not really helping the route pay for itself - especially if they're Y class/ leisure pax on cheaper tickets.
I do find it extremely strange that the route has been stagnant for a number of years in terms of growth and they decide to chop it now - why now, why not a year ago?
Maybe the AF/KL group have decided they only need 1 airline at ABZ instead of having them competing against each other - especially since they are bleeding cash right now...
I know loads may mean little and I can't imagine there is much O&D traffic with r/t tickets at £250-300 minimum so possibly too many connecting pax not really helping the route pay for itself - especially if they're Y class/ leisure pax on cheaper tickets.
I do find it extremely strange that the route has been stagnant for a number of years in terms of growth and they decide to chop it now - why now, why not a year ago?
Maybe the AF/KL group have decided they only need 1 airline at ABZ instead of having them competing against each other - especially since they are bleeding cash right now...
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'Maybe the AF/KL group have decided they only need 1 airline at ABZ instead of having them competing against each other - especially since they are bleeding cash right now...'
I suspect you're right with the above Capt, & that will be the main reason.
LH to FRA will be the other factor no doubt about it in my view.
But a route that carries 108,000pa you would think would attract another airline. You would think...
But - in these tough times for aviation, with even the likes of Flybe cutting back..?
A blow for the airport management.
I suspect you're right with the above Capt, & that will be the main reason.
LH to FRA will be the other factor no doubt about it in my view.
But a route that carries 108,000pa you would think would attract another airline. You would think...
But - in these tough times for aviation, with even the likes of Flybe cutting back..?
A blow for the airport management.
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Are you sure it's being cancelled, I noticed this related piece of news a few days ago:
AIRFRANCE S13 European Mainline/Franchise Operation Adjustments | Airline Route – Worldwide Airline Route Update
AIRFRANCE S13 European Mainline/Franchise Operation Adjustments | Airline Route – Worldwide Airline Route Update
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GRQ bmiR
(From the bmi Reg thread)
Probably not a surprise that GRQ is being dropped. Very much a niche route, but the writing was on the wall when it was cut to a 3w route M W F this winter.
Probably not a surprise that GRQ is being dropped. Very much a niche route, but the writing was on the wall when it was cut to a 3w route M W F this winter.
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what's new at ABZ?
When is Aberdeen airport going to change from an airport living in the 70's to one that is in the oil capital of Europe? nothing new been built/expanded airport wise.
And nothing of any new routes/rotations?
Just airlines cutting back and leaving ABZ.
And nothing of any new routes/rotations?
Just airlines cutting back and leaving ABZ.
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Maybe the reason the airlines are cutting back is because the so called extension is useless, and they should have considered another +500m. As somebody whom works in Aberdeen and lives overseas, it does not seem to me any quieter when I fly up and down from Heathrow. However, I don't think there is sufficient demand for long haul direct from Dyce, despite what anyone says.
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Summit
Aberdeen airport to host business summit - Transport - Scotsman.com
Will anything come of it? Unlikely, but it's good to talk.
Supply & demand. No (insufficient) demand usually leads to no supply.
Aberdeen is just too far out of the way in the eyes of many airlines, & whilst it is commercially a successful region, there is insufficient demand to lay on services to everywhere that the business community would want. Ditto flights to the sun, although the amount of people that travel from here to fly off to the sun from other airports suggests more could be done here - Flyglobespan have never properly been replaced. The catchment area though is just too small.
However I still think the region as a whole has much to offer inbound tourism, & I wonder how well the area is marketed in that direction.
Many routes for the oil/gas community (that they would wish for) would not be viable from here - that's the bottom line (eg. Baku; now Gronigen). Unless it's an ad-hoc on a business jet. Again, maybe more should therefore be invested to attract the GA market?
Will anything come of it? Unlikely, but it's good to talk.
Supply & demand. No (insufficient) demand usually leads to no supply.
Aberdeen is just too far out of the way in the eyes of many airlines, & whilst it is commercially a successful region, there is insufficient demand to lay on services to everywhere that the business community would want. Ditto flights to the sun, although the amount of people that travel from here to fly off to the sun from other airports suggests more could be done here - Flyglobespan have never properly been replaced. The catchment area though is just too small.
However I still think the region as a whole has much to offer inbound tourism, & I wonder how well the area is marketed in that direction.
Many routes for the oil/gas community (that they would wish for) would not be viable from here - that's the bottom line (eg. Baku; now Gronigen). Unless it's an ad-hoc on a business jet. Again, maybe more should therefore be invested to attract the GA market?
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Aye fair enough on the 150m pointless runway extension but i always though an INTERNATIONAL airport should have contact stands, aero bridges, perhaps enough parking for the aircraft that use the airport, seems most development is for the business park, not the airport. Also a brand new control tower like every other airport would be nice. Every other major UK airport seems to be getting one
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AF to CDG
Your AF flights to CDG are going to be operated by the new AF regional brand HOP! on behalf of AF from 31/3/13 either by an E75 or CR9. As they are on behalf of AF they are only bookable on AF website not direct through HOP! so am assuming you will still get same AF perks as now like through checked in bags, flyer points etc
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He said: “APD levels in the UK are the highest in Europe, and rising, and it is driving airlines and passengers away -, only last week Flybe announced 300 job losses and the reduction of their fleet, citing APD as a contributory cause for this action.
A recent report – published by York Avation - warned that APD could cost Scotland more than two million passengers by 2016, at a cost to the Scottish economy of £210 million every year in lost tourism spend. Aberdeen International alone is forecast to lose some 200,000 passengers as a result of APD.
“Quite simply, APD makes airlines less likely to launch a new route from Aberdeen when they could introduce a similar route from rival European airports. This, coupled with the absence of a route development fund, makes it increasingly difficult to attract airlines to Scotland.”
"Connections to Heathrow are crucial and we will continue to vigorously pursue the UK Government to adopt a more pro-active role in maintaining and promoting these vital links. Air Passenger Duty is another area where we continue to be frustrated by the UK Government’s approach. Businesses and families face punitive levels of duty, making the overall cost of air travel prohibitive for many, and we will continue to argue for responsibility over APD to be passed to the Scottish Parliament in the same way that it has been devolved to Northern Ireland"
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A recent report – published by York Avation - warned that APD could cost Scotland more than two million passengers by 2016, at a cost to the Scottish economy of £210 million every year in lost tourism spend. Aberdeen International alone is forecast to lose some 200,000 passengers as a result of APD.
“Quite simply, APD makes airlines less likely to launch a new route from Aberdeen when they could introduce a similar route from rival European airports. This, coupled with the absence of a route development fund, makes it increasingly difficult to attract airlines to Scotland.”
"Connections to Heathrow are crucial and we will continue to vigorously pursue the UK Government to adopt a more pro-active role in maintaining and promoting these vital links. Air Passenger Duty is another area where we continue to be frustrated by the UK Government’s approach. Businesses and families face punitive levels of duty, making the overall cost of air travel prohibitive for many, and we will continue to argue for responsibility over APD to be passed to the Scottish Parliament in the same way that it has been devolved to Northern Ireland"
(from AIA's webite)
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