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If carriers were being denied opportunities to make money from MAN or anywhere else, they'd be making a noise and lobbying hard. There's very little sabre rattling in relation to access to MAN. APD and Heathrow capacity is where the energy is currently.
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...er they are !
Have a look at the transport Committee minutes (video). Ironically there are a number of NWest based MPs on the committee, (Graham Stringer / and a female whose name escapes me), they have raised this at EVERY meeting !
Re EK yes point taken Skippy it might, but Manchester-US traffic has gone backwards in recent years and whilst everybody blames recession it has not gone down at LHR.
In the same timeframe EK have grown a market Eastbound where none previously existed.
A psuedo Emirates(UK) hub at Manchester with East and West traffic flows would be splendid....albeit wishful thinking !
...er they are !
Have a look at the transport Committee minutes (video). Ironically there are a number of NWest based MPs on the committee, (Graham Stringer / and a female whose name escapes me), they have raised this at EVERY meeting !
Re EK yes point taken Skippy it might, but Manchester-US traffic has gone backwards in recent years and whilst everybody blames recession it has not gone down at LHR.
In the same timeframe EK have grown a market Eastbound where none previously existed.
A psuedo Emirates(UK) hub at Manchester with East and West traffic flows would be splendid....albeit wishful thinking !
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Quote: "They are quite happy for PK to do it, so why not?"
So do AI (though not currently using them) and KU between LHR and JFK.
These 3 carriers do not pose a commercial "threat" to UK and USA carriers.
So do AI (though not currently using them) and KU between LHR and JFK.
These 3 carriers do not pose a commercial "threat" to UK and USA carriers.
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Bagso - I was struggling to find any evidence from the oral or written evidence given by airlines that suggested they would be beating down the door at MAN if bilaterals were abolished. There's a lot to get through however, so please do send me the dates or specific links and I'm happy to be corrected. I did see the evidence from the MAN team and also saw this was contradicted by the CAA, BA and Virgin to various degrees. All parties will be pushing their agendas of course, MAN being no exception.
I also note the lack of corroborating noise in the airline business itself. You do feel this with APD. You do feel this with Heathrow capacity. You do feel the vibes around the pressures due to oil, competition from the Middle Eastern carriers and other "industry issues". MAN and bilaterals is not a hot topic, however much you might wish it to be the case. Logically that suggests the people in charge of deploying scarce capital in the business, think they can make that capital work harder for them at places other than regional UK. If they thought otherwise and barriers were in place, you'd never hear the last of it.
I also note the lack of corroborating noise in the airline business itself. You do feel this with APD. You do feel this with Heathrow capacity. You do feel the vibes around the pressures due to oil, competition from the Middle Eastern carriers and other "industry issues". MAN and bilaterals is not a hot topic, however much you might wish it to be the case. Logically that suggests the people in charge of deploying scarce capital in the business, think they can make that capital work harder for them at places other than regional UK. If they thought otherwise and barriers were in place, you'd never hear the last of it.
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Interesting paragraph from ch-aviation:
Emirates (EK, Dubai International (DXB)) is considering direct flights between Copenhagen Kastrup (CPH) and Seattle Tacoma International (SEA) later this year on the back of its planned direct Milan Malpensa (MXP) - New York John F. Kennedy International (JFK) route due in October. While pundits have speculated about other pairings namely: Dubai International (DXB) to Los Angeles International (LAX) via Paris Charles de Gaulle (CDG), Dubai to Buenos Aires Ezeiza Ministro Pistarini (EZE) via Madrid Barajas (MAD) and Dubai to Rio de Janeiro Galeão Antônio Carlos Jobim International (GIG) via Lisbon Portela de Sacavem (LIS), Emirates' outgoing vice-chairman Sir Maurice Flanagan, in an interview with True Capitalist Radio, specifically mentioned a Copenhagen - Seattle pairing as a strong future candidate given the route's documented traffic potential. However, a prerequisite for establishing a Copenhagen - Seattle route will be the doubling of Emirates' current daily flights to the Danish capital, which has yet to happen. SAS Scandinavian Airlines (SK, Copenhagen Kastrup (CPH)) flew the route for over 40 years before axing it in 2009 as a result of extensive cost-cutting measures.
Emirates (EK, Dubai International (DXB)) is considering direct flights between Copenhagen Kastrup (CPH) and Seattle Tacoma International (SEA) later this year on the back of its planned direct Milan Malpensa (MXP) - New York John F. Kennedy International (JFK) route due in October. While pundits have speculated about other pairings namely: Dubai International (DXB) to Los Angeles International (LAX) via Paris Charles de Gaulle (CDG), Dubai to Buenos Aires Ezeiza Ministro Pistarini (EZE) via Madrid Barajas (MAD) and Dubai to Rio de Janeiro Galeão Antônio Carlos Jobim International (GIG) via Lisbon Portela de Sacavem (LIS), Emirates' outgoing vice-chairman Sir Maurice Flanagan, in an interview with True Capitalist Radio, specifically mentioned a Copenhagen - Seattle pairing as a strong future candidate given the route's documented traffic potential. However, a prerequisite for establishing a Copenhagen - Seattle route will be the doubling of Emirates' current daily flights to the Danish capital, which has yet to happen. SAS Scandinavian Airlines (SK, Copenhagen Kastrup (CPH)) flew the route for over 40 years before axing it in 2009 as a result of extensive cost-cutting measures.
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So this is a change of focus from being a one stop airline for Europe going East to Asia going West to a proper world force airline looking at dominance?
They've already dented business for European legacies going East and to Africa and now they've planted their tanks firmly on the lawn of Europe - America. If they can offer their frequent fliers the same level of service going West then why not? This is *potentially* game changing as they could start to pick off the weaker Euro legacies one by one. 100+ A380s have to be deployed somewhere.
They've already dented business for European legacies going East and to Africa and now they've planted their tanks firmly on the lawn of Europe - America. If they can offer their frequent fliers the same level of service going West then why not? This is *potentially* game changing as they could start to pick off the weaker Euro legacies one by one. 100+ A380s have to be deployed somewhere.
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Well, If when you look at what Emirates could potentially be up against with these routes.....
lots of competition on MAD-EZE (IB,UX,AR) where as CDG-LAX,LIS-GIG and CPH-SEA have one carrier with the monopoly (or none at all with Copenhagen Seattle)
If they're after the local traffic only, they could pull some of the Iberia faithful away from MAD-EZE and fill up the back of the cabin with cheap fares for VFR. Product wise they blow all the carriers on that specific route out of the water.
I can't see any of them being viable alternatives for transiting from DXB/Asia/OZ, although the DXB-EZE stops in Rio.
Skipness is right they clearly want world dominance!
lots of competition on MAD-EZE (IB,UX,AR) where as CDG-LAX,LIS-GIG and CPH-SEA have one carrier with the monopoly (or none at all with Copenhagen Seattle)
If they're after the local traffic only, they could pull some of the Iberia faithful away from MAD-EZE and fill up the back of the cabin with cheap fares for VFR. Product wise they blow all the carriers on that specific route out of the water.
I can't see any of them being viable alternatives for transiting from DXB/Asia/OZ, although the DXB-EZE stops in Rio.
Skipness is right they clearly want world dominance!
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EK "world domination"?
EK still need several 5th freedom arrangements, it can't be done on the USA/EU open skies agreements. May be easier said than done.
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These are only speculated, the comments were made by an out going vice-chairman as well. But the aggressive growth of Emirates in the last few years if anyone is going to give it a crack, it's going to be them. The flop that was HAM-JFK in the past and now MXP-JFK indicates its something their interested in.
Only time will tell i suppose.
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Only time will tell i suppose.
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I speculated a few years back that an Emirates (UK) would be splendid for Manchester !
Whilst that might still come to pass EK could they divest into a UK paper airline and gain rights that way...?
Manchester already has 3 a day East
Personally I would take a chance on 3 a day West !
Whilst that might still come to pass EK could they divest into a UK paper airline and gain rights that way...?
Manchester already has 3 a day East
Personally I would take a chance on 3 a day West !
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27th October 2013:
new daily flight to HKG with A332 (B77W from 1st February)
2nd daily A380 flight to BKK
in total
5 daily to BKK:
double daily A380 (one daily onwards to HKG) + double daily B77W (one daily onwards to SYD-CHC) + daily B773 (3 daily nonstop DXB-BKK)
4 daily to HKG:
daily A380 (via BKK) + daily B77W + 5 weekly B77W/2 weekly A380 + daily A332 (3 daily nonstop DXB-HKG)
Emirates increases South East Asia capacity | Emirates United Arab Emirates
new daily flight to HKG with A332 (B77W from 1st February)
2nd daily A380 flight to BKK
in total
5 daily to BKK:
double daily A380 (one daily onwards to HKG) + double daily B77W (one daily onwards to SYD-CHC) + daily B773 (3 daily nonstop DXB-BKK)
4 daily to HKG:
daily A380 (via BKK) + daily B77W + 5 weekly B77W/2 weekly A380 + daily A332 (3 daily nonstop DXB-HKG)
Emirates increases South East Asia capacity | Emirates United Arab Emirates
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Emirates strives for world beating customer services - again
Article in Saturday's Guardian about poor costumer service from Emirates and even worse public relations:
Emirates delayed me for 24 hours on flight to Sydney | Money | The Guardian
Emirates delayed me for 24 hours on flight to Sydney | Money | The Guardian
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Any chance of a service to DSA I understand they have a longer term goal for that market.
Dsa over Lba would be better with the longer runways snd better catchment.
plus the new road!
Dsa over Lba would be better with the longer runways snd better catchment.
plus the new road!
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Any chance of a service to DSA I understand they have a longer term goal for that market.
Dsa over Lba would be better with the longer runways snd better catchment.
plus the new road
Dsa over Lba would be better with the longer runways snd better catchment.
plus the new road
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I'm sure DXB-DSA will be launched well ahead of Berlin, Oslo, Budapest, Helsinki and other such small European conurbations who are not yet served by EK 
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