Emirates

[Joe Curry]

I though Etihad were rumoured to be starting from EDI?

Another airline will eventually compete against EK from EDI. A competing ME route ex EDI would do just as well, if not better as EDI tends to trump similar scheduled routes from GLA.

EK are obviously aware of this. Will they or won't they have second thoughts.?

[LAX_LHR]

A lot of empty seats involving 2x daily inbound/outbounds with 400+ seat aircraft? Even with 70% loads it equates to 230 aircraft each year flying empty?
But then I'm not a number cruncher perhaps someone could give us an approximate figure of rotations. aircraft type and seat capacities.?

As has been said on this and many forums, many times.

Loads are in no way an indication of how a route is doing, its all about the money made.

The load may be 70%, but, if in that 70% the J cabin is full and F has a fair load, then there is a good chance the flight is making money.

Also, under the passengers, there could be a tidy profit in cargo. Back in 2007, I had the chance to meet a senior figure at EK. He told me that on 4 days per week (at the time), the MAN-DXB flight could go out with a 0% load and still make money. Says it all really.

Joe, I notice that some months the Turkish flights to EDI had a 60% load factor, are you similarly going to make a claim that 'Turkish are obviously ignoring GLA, as they are flying x number of empty planes per year'? Nope? Thought not.....

[Fairdealfrank]

Quote: "Another airline will eventually compete against EK from EDI."

Indeed, it is TK.

[OltonPete]

EK

Emirates S13 Operation Changes as of 26MAR13 | Airline Route – Worldwide Airline Route Updates

Manchester getting the 489 seat A380 for three months although that in general happened ad-hoc last year. No doubt BHX will see the three class 77W's during this period.

Glasgow

The last four months per the CAA (my estimates of load factor)

February 27217 - 243 pax per flight - 69% load factor (77W & 77L)
January 32572 - 263 pax per flight - 72% load factor (77W)
December 29436 - 237 pax per flight - 80% load factor (77W & A343)
November 28401 - 236 pax per flight - 76% load factor (77W & A343)

As LAX_LHR has said it is all about yields but I would be sceptical at any press release, EK are no different to the rest when it comes to spin.

Another article states they are considering reducing first class to 4 seats although the article below also claims that they are considering two class 77W's I assume they mean more two class variants, which is already in progress with a lot of the last batch (one currently on delivery now) are two class.

Emirates plans two-class Airbus A380, dropping first class suites - Flights | hotels | frequent flyer | business class - Australian Business Traveller

The two-class A380 seems to be back on the agenda as well.

Pete

[Skipness One Echo]

Were EK a bit wet behind the ears introducing it's
2nd daily Scottish flight from GLA?

if not better as EDI tends to trump similar scheduled routes from GLA.

How about on long haul? Delta wasn't a success was it? EDI and GLA have one United a day in winter and a double UA vs a UA / US in summer, hardly "trumping". What you mean is EDI does better in inbound tourism from Europe. As for EK, EDI is sandwiched between GLA and NCL so not looking likely. Joe you don't thinl EK will serve EDI and GLA, you're just trolling. Again.

Your team may get EY or QR in the medium term, please stop whining about another team's relative success, it makes you sound bitter.

[LAX_LHR]

Manchester getting the 489 seat A380 for three months although that in general happened ad-hoc last year. No doubt BHX will see the three class 77W's during this period

Airlineroute has indicated this in the past, but the 517 seat A380 still made regular appearances anyway.

Even if the 489 seat aircraft does appear, its actually more of a compliment to MAN as the number of F/J seats remains the same, its steerage that gets the seat reduction. As being discussed, its F/J where the real money is made. It just means the cabin crew get a nice rest area

[OntimeexceptACARS]

Emirates at Glasgow

To deal with a couple of points raised by Joe Curry :

Source : CAA statistics for freight (Table 14) Oct-Dec 2012, in Tonnes :

Freight EU :

EDI 725 823 826 = 2374
GLA 55 65 70 = 190

Freight non-EU:
EDI 7 5 5 = 17
GLA 653 750 733 = 2136

Freight UK
EDI 727 909 919 = 2555
GLA 80 117 88 = 285

You can surmise the following :
1. Edinburgh has the UPS, TNT and Royal Mail hubs which obviously drive the parcels business from there.
2. Turkish are not doing much in terms of freight via IST
3. Glasgow and Edinburgh only have the US as a freight destination, and unless Glasgow outperforms EDI massively on the United flights its safe to say that the vast majority of the non-EU freight is on Emirates.
4. That splits down to an average of about 23.2 tonnes per day from Glasgow to non-EU destinations.

...and lastly, ergo, Joe, your passenger load factors are only part of the story. Its why GLA is a big success for UAE, and why Tim Clark sees it as "on their radar", despite the A380 having less freight capacity.

[Joe Curry]

It's obvious that GLA does more in terms of non-EU freight on the strength
of the exclusive EK service. Would that be the case if EK were flying a similar
service from EDI.
It would make sense that EDI would attract more freight on it's central distribution position in Scotland alone.

[Skipness One Echo]

Joe I know you're a man who has been around so at 75, how can you have failed to notice EDI is on the East coast (note all that water on the approach) and GLA is inland on the Western side. EDI is many things, but it is not, really, really not more central. Behave.

[rpmac]

Edinburgh AIRPORT is on the west of Edinburgh, close to the M8 and M9 and therefore very central for a large catchment area of Scotland.

[VickersVicount]

"EDI is many things, but it is not, really, really not more central. Behave"
You are wrong.

[Skipness One Echo]

The clue is all the water to the east. Buy a map. To be any more on the east coast would involve float planes.

[Joe Curry]

Fact is one thing, belief another. If the naïve believe Glasgow Airport is the centre of the Scottish Universe they won't be convinced otherwise.

[VickersVicount]

Accessibility studies suggest EDI is most convenient for 50% of Scotland's population compared to 39% for GLA. A Map view really cannot argue with that.

[OntimeexceptACARS]

Mods!! Off topic alert....

Can we get off this tiresome subject please and get back to Emirates? Be interested in Joe's (or anyone else's) reply to the success of the EXISTING Emirates business from Glasgow, given the freight loads.

I don't know if these loads are good/bad by B77W standards for a given route? According to Boeing the capacity (I know its not weight) is 8 125 inch pallets and 20 LD3s. According to Airbus a typical capacity of the A380 is 7 125 inch pallets and 16 LD3s.

[liam4393]

Does anyone know roughly when EK flights for September 2014 will be released for sale? Many thanks

[Channex258]

Emirates Announcement

MXP-JFK to commence 1st October 2013
Taken from another site :

- dep. MXP 16:00 - arr. JFK 19:00 EK205 daily
- dep. JFK 22:20 - arr. MXP 12:15 EK206 daily

flights obviously originating and terminating to/from DXB

Boeing 777-300ER to be used.

[j636]

DXB-ARN from 4 September with B773ER daily.

Emirates to Start Services to Stockholm Dubai Chronicle

[Seljuk22]

MXP-JFK to commence 1st October 2013
Taken from another site :

- dep. MXP 16:00 - arr. JFK 19:00 EK205 daily
- dep. JFK 22:20 - arr. MXP 12:15 EK206 daily

flights obviously originating and terminating to/from DXB

Boeing 777-300ER to be used.

One of the 3 daily flights DXB-MXP will be extended to JFK.

JFK will be 2 daily A380 (nonstop) + daily B77W (via MXP).
DXB-MXP will stay at 3 daily.

[chaps2011]

So really less seats for Milan

Chaps