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Old 14th Sep 2008, 09:11
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Looks like the journos have been busy. I'm sure they will strike gold if they keep digging.
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Old 14th Sep 2008, 09:38
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Looks like K+S the Turkey holiday specialist has gone down the crow road also.

A weekend to remember indeed.

Will Alitalia make it through ? I doubt it !
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Old 14th Sep 2008, 09:47
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With the sad collapse of the XL group, what does this mean for alot of the companies external customers, such as Olympic and Libra Holidays, along with alot of the specialised tour operators, who had capacity on many of XL's flights? Will it also mean staff reductions in areas such as ground handling etc. An airline the size of this collapsing can have a domino effect in the travel and airline industry. It is also bad news for holiday makers to Greece, both XL and Kosmar were the No1 UK operator to the country, serving many of the smaller islands, where the big 2 do not currently serve, or do from only LGW and MAN. It may mean that smaller airports such as BRS, EMA, NCL, GLA loose out on valuable routes.

It is a difficult time in the market and I wish all the staff the very best and just wish that the press would take these peoples feelings into consideration!
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Old 14th Sep 2008, 09:52
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good luck to all the staff seeking employment, been made redundant twice now, not nice, espesially in theses times.

Mate of mine is a training Captain for XL, he should be ok, its all the 500 hour F/O's I feel sorry for.

Good luck guys.
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Old 14th Sep 2008, 09:57
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Presumably this will have quite serious implications for pilots who have spent lots of money on training and were about to start look for jobs.
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Old 14th Sep 2008, 10:19
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Where did my thread go??

About a week before the XL demise I posted a question on here asking if anyone knew why XL had beeen grounded at LGW?? The reason I found out later was that they had not payed the fuel bill. This was resolved later in the day.

I was just asking a straight question and not spreading gloom and doom. Maybe if the thread was left on, a few more people may have been better prepared or at least made some enquiries?

Perhaps PPRuNe may like to comment?

Coop & Bear
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Old 14th Sep 2008, 10:19
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its all the 500 hour F/O's I feel sorry for.
If only I had managed to attain 500hrs!!! XL left me a couple of hundred short of this!!!!

Did anyone else think of David Brent when Phil Whyatt was giving his press conference???
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Old 14th Sep 2008, 10:42
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To join all the others, thoughts and well wisher's
I have travelled on the earlier version Sabre and know many with the current version XL. What a great company.

I have lived through 2 major airline collapses over my time in the industry and both have been awfull times, light does come in the end, day by day and sometimes really good things come from these major events, chin up and look forward.
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Old 14th Sep 2008, 11:06
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I think its great how other airlines ( not the overcharging ones) have rallied and helped get the pax and crews home,

what I can not understand, and please correct if im wrong here,

phil wyatt has managed to save his own backside and his two other XL airlines, germany and france?? where are they in this rescue of XL uk pax and crews?
If he is so sincere, why are those planes not saving the backsides of his pax and crews, especially the ones without the ATOL bonding to protect.

The media should be investigating all the suspect issues surrounding this?
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Old 14th Sep 2008, 11:15
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Good luck XL crew & passangers

I travelled with XL once before, was a very good airline. These are dark times, we hope to see an upturn in the aviation cycle sometime newxt year. All i know is that, I am currently doing my IR and something tells me that my chances of getting a job att the end in the UK are getting slim.

My deepest sympathy to all XL crew and passangers. I hope it all works out for you.
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Old 14th Sep 2008, 12:01
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I really feel for XL staff - i was due to travel next month with you guys and have travelled before and really thought the XL service was great.

Loosing my holiday was gutting, but 1700 out of work is far much worse.

This country sucks
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Old 14th Sep 2008, 12:03
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XL France and Germany are not involved in the rescue of UK Crew and Pax, as if they land into the UK , the aircraft will also be impounded. Hence why we flew to Paris on the 330 on Friday morning.. hope this helps..
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Old 14th Sep 2008, 12:35
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Could'nt then in that case, XL F and G, Help with the long hauls from SFB and carribean back to Paris, at least it would be easier and less expensive for the unprotected pax and crews to get back home from paris??
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Old 14th Sep 2008, 12:41
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XL Not looking so good

Pretty vile commentary by Roger Lewis on Page 4 of today's Sunday Express. Not a lot of caring thought or sympathy for the many XL employees (ex) in that diatribe.
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Old 14th Sep 2008, 12:49
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carbis22, i guess thats now an issue for them to decide, the pax now in SFB are not 'stranded' as such, they will return on their original return dates albeit with another carrier..

On Friday morning, the support shown to us by our French colleagues was overwhelming, they arranged for us to get back to the UK... Whilst we flew back (and at this point we UK crew knew we were technically unemployed), they did not know if the collapse of the company affected them or not and it was only when we landed they were told they were safe....I have the upmost respect for XL France for looking after us in Paris. I would be surprised if there was a name change on the cards though!!!

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Old 14th Sep 2008, 15:05
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Sunwing Airlines of Canada and XL

I am one of the Sunwing pilots that was operating for XL on a C-reg aircraft. I am extremely sad to be going back home in the next few days. This was not my first summer flying for XL and I have worked along-side some fantastic and dedicated XL employees (cabin crew, operations, local management...)

Fortunately I still have a job and life for Sunwing will go on but I am sad for all those who are not so fortunate. The relationship between Sunwing and XL has always been very very good and I wouln't be surprised if Sunwing offered employment to many from XL.

Good luck to everyone.
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Old 14th Sep 2008, 15:23
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Nice to see Bruce the Iron Maiden Captain speaking up on behalf of his Airline and putting his two pennys worth in to rescue the XL pax. Getting back from SSH at 0800 in the morning, then back for a night KGS, that's hard work.
Sure Astreas will do very well from it all
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Old 14th Sep 2008, 16:27
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quote; I think its great how other airlines ( not the overcharging ones) have rallied and helped get the pax and crews home,

Booked Direct oh dear no ATOL

Well i have a slightly different view having been stranded here in Fue by the XL collapse

British Consulate : NOT INTERESTED
Axa Insurance : NOT INTERESTED
Xl Local Agents : NOT INTERESTED

So have had to pay for ryanair flights via Dub to Man @ huge cost ...

Wait till I hit UK soil ::: there will be blood and fur flying with the useless b,stards who failed to supply what I have paid for..

Rant over now wheres that San Miguel

good luck to all the other affected parties
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Old 14th Sep 2008, 17:01
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this is what I was trying to say, where are XL france and germany in all this, even if you had been provided free carrige to paris, cdg, and had to make your own way from their, alot more availability from CDG and probably at alot lower cost.....

Why was Xl leisure boasting a 2 billion profit in nov 06, and less than 2 yrs on, alledging 140 million in debts, why is xl germany and xl france ok??

Dont get me wrong I truly feel sorry for all the crew and pilots, whoever will have financial loss from this sudden onset situation, however some serious questions need to be answered here?

The CEO will probably be financially ok, two more airlines to run, someone like an investigative journalist needs to dig deep to find out more, as quite frankly it stinks, alot!!

You along with people that have lost their jobs and income, should demand more answers?? and have every right to be angry and demand the explanations you are entiitled to.

Why is their no official gov law, that the alledged 3rd biggest charter airline does NOT have to have ATOL coverage?

And having read some of these posts, i.e one pilot stating he still has NOT officially been told he is unemployed speaks for itself, its a disgrace of a company, better of out of business, and you folk are better of finding new employment.
It just was not done in a very nice way, XL at best was a one hit wonder airline, once tried not many go back, shocking...

Sorry if this is an unpopular post, we are all entitled to our say, and do honestly feel for all involved.
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Old 14th Sep 2008, 17:23
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Why was Xl leisure boasting a 2 billion profit in nov 06, and less than 2 yrs on, alledging 140 million in debts.....

Not to go off topic too much, but while there is terrific flying and technical expertise on this website, there is poor understanding of business and finance. It's perfectly normal for a business to be profitable and to carry debt at the same time.
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