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hostiegirl,
Snap out of it
I know it's probably of little comfort to you but there are a bunch of us out here who are rooting for you XL,ent folks.
Sit down and work out a plan as soon as you can (finances, job hunting etc), get the CV updated and send, send, send. Things will be tough but you need to 'get back on the horse' and try and keep ahead of the tide!
Chin up
you can do it.
Wishing you the very best.
Snap out of it
I know it's probably of little comfort to you but there are a bunch of us out here who are rooting for you XL,ent folks.Sit down and work out a plan as soon as you can (finances, job hunting etc), get the CV updated and send, send, send. Things will be tough but you need to 'get back on the horse' and try and keep ahead of the tide!
Chin up
you can do it.Wishing you the very best.
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Look South East
Ex XL people:
I have no idea what aircraft they use but I do know that the Western Australia region is utterly booming due to the mining taking place there. Folk fly in and out all the time from all over Aus constantly.
Worth having a look in my humble.
G'day
I have no idea what aircraft they use but I do know that the Western Australia region is utterly booming due to the mining taking place there. Folk fly in and out all the time from all over Aus constantly.
Worth having a look in my humble.
G'day
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Talking of Australia, Qantas are recruiting like crazy at the moment for their Heathrow base and would likely snap up the XL crews. I think they are recruiting for their new A380 arrival so lots of jobs going in the next few weeks.
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The Ripple Effect
Mary Hinge,
Good point.
First thoughts must go to the XL staff who were hit with the shocking and unexpected news but you're right the ripple effects will be far reaching and those folks employed in the numerous support industries are going to feel the effect soon enough, cleaning, catering, fueling, general ground handling, airport staff, 'spanish coach drivers', security and more, too many to mention. The only difference being they may have some warning of impending grief.. and still the media focus on the woeful pax stories!
Good point.
First thoughts must go to the XL staff who were hit with the shocking and unexpected news but you're right the ripple effects will be far reaching and those folks employed in the numerous support industries are going to feel the effect soon enough, cleaning, catering, fueling, general ground handling, airport staff, 'spanish coach drivers', security and more, too many to mention. The only difference being they may have some warning of impending grief.. and still the media focus on the woeful pax stories!
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Just heard the bad news,very sad. First the buisness airliners (Maxjet,Eos,Silverjet) now XL the future for charter airlines isnt looking good. I hear that XL where still selling tickets only a few hours before they were declared bankrupt. Is this true?.A 737-800 is stranded here at LCA (Larnaca International) anyone know whats going to happen to it? Im guessing it'll be off in a few days,but to where? Does it belong to XL or was it being leased?
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hostiegirl,
Snap out of it I know it's probably of little comfort to you but there are a bunch of us out here who are rooting for you XL,ent folks.
Sit down and work out a plan as soon as you can (finances, job hunting etc), get the CV updated and send, send, send. Things will be tough but you need to 'get back on the horse' and try and keep ahead of the tide!
Chin up you can do it.
Wishing you the very best.
THANK-YOU!
Yes i know you are right, cv has been updated this morning! x
Snap out of it I know it's probably of little comfort to you but there are a bunch of us out here who are rooting for you XL,ent folks.
Sit down and work out a plan as soon as you can (finances, job hunting etc), get the CV updated and send, send, send. Things will be tough but you need to 'get back on the horse' and try and keep ahead of the tide!
Chin up you can do it.
Wishing you the very best.
THANK-YOU!
Yes i know you are right, cv has been updated this morning! x
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Having only recently (this June) been sh*t on by an insolvent employer, I thought I'd share my experiences as to the state assistance available. Not sure how much of this will apply but it may be of use to some of the folks?
In short, when an employer becomes insolvent and can no longer pay its staff the employees are entitled to:
i) Statutory Redundancy Pay - Amount depends on length of service and your age - this site calculates your entitlement:
Redundancy Payments: Ready Reckoner - BERR
ii) Statutory Notice Pay - One week's pay (maximum of £330 per week) for each year of service, up to a maximum of 12 week's pay. This bit is a common-law claim so they take off Job Seekers Allowance and 22% for tax.
ii) Pay for holiday you were entitled to, but did not take (didn't apply to me)
More info here:
Notice and notice pay : Directgov - Employment
Redundancy and Insolvency - Guide for employees
You lodge your claim by completing the RP1 form available from the Insolvency Service. If the company is still trading but just won't pay up, you can call a tribunal to claim the above money. If in doubt, book an appointment with your local CAB.
In my case, I was able to receive just under £7k
In short, when an employer becomes insolvent and can no longer pay its staff the employees are entitled to:
i) Statutory Redundancy Pay - Amount depends on length of service and your age - this site calculates your entitlement:
Redundancy Payments: Ready Reckoner - BERR
ii) Statutory Notice Pay - One week's pay (maximum of £330 per week) for each year of service, up to a maximum of 12 week's pay. This bit is a common-law claim so they take off Job Seekers Allowance and 22% for tax.
ii) Pay for holiday you were entitled to, but did not take (didn't apply to me)
More info here:
Notice and notice pay : Directgov - Employment
Redundancy and Insolvency - Guide for employees
You lodge your claim by completing the RP1 form available from the Insolvency Service. If the company is still trading but just won't pay up, you can call a tribunal to claim the above money. If in doubt, book an appointment with your local CAB.
In my case, I was able to receive just under £7k
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hostiegirl: You were made redundant, your job effectively ceased to exist. I went through it once, at the end of the day if you're no longer employed because your employer has ceased trading then you're entitled to the statutory minimum. If there's money in the pot then the employer foots the bill, otherwise the government pays it.
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As I understand it, as soon as you're told not to turn up to work any more you are redundant. I think the administrators or the liquidator are supposed to hand out the relevant information - it didn't work like that in my case though. If in doubt I'd recommend checking with the CAB.
Hope this helps - good luck!
Redundancy and Insolvency - Guide for employees says:
You can get a redundancy payment only if the reason for your dismissal is redundancy. This means that your dismissal must be caused by your employer's need to reduce or no longer employ his or her workforce. Redundancy may happen because a workplace is closing down or because fewer employees are needed for particular kinds of work or because the employer is insolvent. Normally your job must have disappeared. It is not redundancy if your employer immediately takes on a direct replacement for you. It usually will not matter if your employer is recruiting more workers to do different jobs or to work in another place.
Hope this helps - good luck!
Redundancy and Insolvency - Guide for employees says:
6. What is redundancy?
You can get a redundancy payment only if the reason for your dismissal is redundancy. This means that your dismissal must be caused by your employer's need to reduce or no longer employ his or her workforce. Redundancy may happen because a workplace is closing down or because fewer employees are needed for particular kinds of work or because the employer is insolvent. Normally your job must have disappeared. It is not redundancy if your employer immediately takes on a direct replacement for you. It usually will not matter if your employer is recruiting more workers to do different jobs or to work in another place.
You are entitled to a redundancy payment from your employer if:
If your employer is insolvent, he or she will not be able to pay you. So you can claim the money from one of the Insolvency Service’s Redundancy Payments Offices using the yellow RP1 claim form at the back of this guide. We may also be able to pay you all or some of any unpaid wages and outstanding holiday pay. If you did not receive the correct notice of dismissal, we may be able to compensate you for that.
If your employer is not formally insolvent and has made you redundant without paying you a redundancy payment, then you may still be able to claim a payment from us. By law in these circumstances we can only pay you redundancy money. We cannot make other payments such as unpaid wages, holiday pay or compensation for not receiving proper notice.
This guide tells you what you can claim, how to claim it and the conditions that apply. It also explains what to do if you disagree with us about how much you should receive.
- you are an employee who has been made redundant, and
- you have at least two years' continuous service with your employer, and
- you are aged 20 to 64.
If your employer is insolvent, he or she will not be able to pay you. So you can claim the money from one of the Insolvency Service’s Redundancy Payments Offices using the yellow RP1 claim form at the back of this guide. We may also be able to pay you all or some of any unpaid wages and outstanding holiday pay. If you did not receive the correct notice of dismissal, we may be able to compensate you for that.
If your employer is not formally insolvent and has made you redundant without paying you a redundancy payment, then you may still be able to claim a payment from us. By law in these circumstances we can only pay you redundancy money. We cannot make other payments such as unpaid wages, holiday pay or compensation for not receiving proper notice.
This guide tells you what you can claim, how to claim it and the conditions that apply. It also explains what to do if you disagree with us about how much you should receive.
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Thanks for the information. Yes the administrators were handing out packs at the airport i couldn't go in so have one on the way. I didnt think we got a penny so thats a bit brighter than i thought!
Thanks once again!x
Thanks once again!x
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hostiegirl,
Read what they say carefully. Don't be afraid to seek independent advice, particularly if they want your signature for something. I have been through the same myself and the administrators were trying to get me to sign over state benefit to them. I stood my ground and won. I don't think this will be the case for you guys, but you can never be too careful.
I thought I recognised the voice as being someone else. I felt he was composed, factual, and calm.
Good luck
Read what they say carefully. Don't be afraid to seek independent advice, particularly if they want your signature for something. I have been through the same myself and the administrators were trying to get me to sign over state benefit to them. I stood my ground and won. I don't think this will be the case for you guys, but you can never be too careful.
I thought I recognised the voice as being someone else. I felt he was composed, factual, and calm.
Good luck
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To all those crew and staff affected by the loss of XL, my heart goes out to you!
looks like good old Richard's got his tuppens worth in for publicity. And clearly doesn't have a clue what he's on about!!
From BBC News:
As I would understand it those aircraft would effectively be flying without an AOC. And who would crew the aircraft, exactly? He should know that SEP equipment locations and uses vary widely across airlines so there's no argument that any cabin crew could operate on them? Also where would the insurance for the pax, crew and airframe come from? Who's SOPs would they operate under? Clearly the man is either deluded or a media whore? Wonder which??
Richard Branson . . . the Michael O'Leary of the full-fare schedule carriers?
looks like good old Richard's got his tuppens worth in for publicity. And clearly doesn't have a clue what he's on about!!
From BBC News:
Virgin head Sir Richard Branson has called for a review of the rules governing airlines.
He said planes grounded by the failure of their parent companies should be allowed to fly under the watch of the aviation regulator.
He claimed this would reduce disruption across the industry.
"It does not make sense for aircraft to be lying idle at UK airports when they should be used to bring back stranded passengers of that airline," he said.
He said planes grounded by the failure of their parent companies should be allowed to fly under the watch of the aviation regulator.
He claimed this would reduce disruption across the industry.
"It does not make sense for aircraft to be lying idle at UK airports when they should be used to bring back stranded passengers of that airline," he said.
Richard Branson . . . the Michael O'Leary of the full-fare schedule carriers?
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Wilky,
The reason concrete blocks / tractors / tugs etc are placed in front of the aircraft is to stop the risk of them being moved to another area of the airport where a new lien could be placed on it. i.e., someone's hangar or parking area where in an instant the lawyers could be waiting to put in another claim. Mechanics liens etc. can hold up the whole repossession process for some time, costing the aircraft's actual owners several hundreds of thousand dollars a month.
Hope that makes some sense
The reason concrete blocks / tractors / tugs etc are placed in front of the aircraft is to stop the risk of them being moved to another area of the airport where a new lien could be placed on it. i.e., someone's hangar or parking area where in an instant the lawyers could be waiting to put in another claim. Mechanics liens etc. can hold up the whole repossession process for some time, costing the aircraft's actual owners several hundreds of thousand dollars a month.
Hope that makes some sense
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so what happens next...
so, everyone is worried about all the passengers, but im more concerned about the crew, what will happen to them stuck downroute, will xl have to get them home?? Or are they kinda left to their own devices??