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If they don't use the licence within first six months, or haven't used it for three, they love se it buster. I don't think they've met either requirement since it was awarded
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I only have access to the on-line Edn of the GEP and can't find any mention of the AUR Appln for Luton, does anyone have more info or can supply link or info re planned frequency, a/c etc? Typing "Luton" into States web site yields nothing .....Thanks Pete
This reminds me of the "parallel" services operated out of Bournemouth & Southampton by BEE. I can't see that there will be sufficient demand from both Stansted & Luton to Guernsey to justify even a daily service from each airport.
What are the planned schedules for these two routes ?
The C.I. are simply not attractive enough these days (especially Guernsey) to imagine that multiple services from 4 London airports will be successful, in my opinion. Time will tell.
What are the planned schedules for these two routes ?
The C.I. are simply not attractive enough these days (especially Guernsey) to imagine that multiple services from 4 London airports will be successful, in my opinion. Time will tell.
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I guess we will have to wait and see if it's as well as Stansted or instead of Stansted? The fact that it is being launched next year I am thinking it will replace Stansted as Stansted is already on sale for this year but that is just an uneducated guess. Luton is best avoided anyway this year due to building work.
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What are the terms of the licence? If they operated 2-3 times a week would they be deemed to have used it?
I think there is demand for a service April-Sept sold in conjunction with perhaps a group of small local travel agents irrespective of Stansted
I think there is demand for a service April-Sept sold in conjunction with perhaps a group of small local travel agents irrespective of Stansted
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Buster......The islanders would riot if Aurigny tried to cut the Gatwick service and replace it with any airport except LHR, but there are no slots there!
LTNMan ....I'm sure they see the 3X weekly service in addition to their Stansted service, which rises to 8X weekly during summer school hols and operates year round. The application is just for the summer period for one year so I guess they will see how well it is supported. An arrangement with a Travel agent is possible (as per Norwich)
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LTNMan ....I'm sure they see the 3X weekly service in addition to their Stansted service, which rises to 8X weekly during summer school hols and operates year round. The application is just for the summer period for one year so I guess they will see how well it is supported. An arrangement with a Travel agent is possible (as per Norwich)
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If I managed an airline serving a pop of 2000 clinging to a rock in the eastern Atlantic spending most their time in the Divers I think I would sell off my aging aircraft, get rid of costly replacements and concentrate on routes that might get into profit, after all they can always go by Boat on Bumblebee.......ah might be a problem there! Get real, the airline is not responsible for the crumbling inadequate airstrip and you certainly couldn't afford IOS prices, for the limited traffic the service is vfm. Just do the costing of basing an air ambulance on island.
All very much to the point, Pete. But, we should not forget that AUR were originally set up solely to provide air links to & from Alderney , in 1968 when Jersey Airlines withdrew their service ( they couldn't make it pay, either !).
It would be a pity to see them lose their Alderney connection; particularly as the airline's name is the French for Alderney - as you know.
It would be a pity to see them lose their Alderney connection; particularly as the airline's name is the French for Alderney - as you know.
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Alderney States Members to lodge a vote of no confidence in Aurigny's Management following two years of poor service to/from Alderney.
It would be a pity to see them lose their Alderney connection; particularly as the airline's name is the French for Alderney - as you know.
Their complaints may be well-founded, but surely they should not expect to see them given a great deal of time or respect in Guernsey if they refuse (in perpetuating with mere anecdote what the numbers simply don't bear out) to tackle the specific reasons for the problems they bemoan. If they really cared more for action than words (the pledge of every States candidate since the year dot, and more or less the very platform on which Steve Roberts himself stood), they'd be complaining about delays to the PSO. Why? Three simple reasons.
1) when the process comes to bear, it would give them a legitimate legal framework which would permit the removal of Aurigny's de facto right to operate (the routes being only able to support one carrier, and GR having no commercial incentive to provide) if they can prove that its service has been poor enough. If the contents of their requête are sincerely meant, surely this should be their holy grail.
2) even if they failed to dislodge Aurigny's position, it would give them a proper document to which it could be held accountable, and a minimum service level as previously discussed on this forum. Consequences, as above, would follow if it failed.
3) a PSO's economic benefits for the island they represent, in keeping service levels above those affordable to the airline alone but well within the means of Bailiwick taxpayers collectively (as has occurred this year through SoA subsidy), and its ability to formalise the financial relationship between all parties, are obvious.
Yet rather than actually fashioning for themselves a perfectly good (and extremely useful) stick with which to thwhack Aurigny, they have gone to war with mealy mouths and meaningless missives. In failing to even try to engage with any of the specifics of the problem, to anyone with a shred of education or good sense I'm afraid their requête is made to smell and to look like the decomposing contents of a two-week-old dustbin. They will get precisely nowhere for as long as they act as angry parishioners instead of elected policymakers.
As States members they should absolutely hold Aurigny to account. This will often involve voicing dissatisfaction. Yet in failing to rebut Aurigny's claims directly, which seem perfectly reasonable, they are wasting their breath and fueling disillusionment based on conjecture alone – without a clear plan to solve the problems which they outline. A sound complaint would constitute (for instance) an evidenced rebuttal of Aurigny's justifications, and a realistic plan to rectify the situation (worth noting that this process should probably occur before any vote of no confidence. It hasn't). Yet they propose nothing (not even a new Tri!). Perhaps this reluctance to deal with crucial details is because weather delays are boring, or – for instance – because scrapping G-FTSE (arguably) too early was by itself not quite a sackable offence. But if you want to reinforce the States' sorry reputation as a talking shop for the self-obsessed, rather than actually working to achieve good outcomes for the islands, carry right on boys.
The fact remains that you could scrap and replace the entire management team, and Alderney would still be in exactly the same position. You could go back to flying in the Tris, and you'd have more delays and higher costs. You could have gone for the Twotter and had a lower xwind limit. In complaining on the one hand whilst failing to propose any alternative whatsoever on the other, they do their electors a very grave disservice.
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It looks as though there are 2 Dorniers in service today. G-LGIS did the first GCI-ACI-SOU-ACI-GCI run and now G-OAUR has just done GCI-ACI. I think this may have been G-OAUR's first passenger service run. G-SAYE is also in the air today, presumably pilot training (GR4001).
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gkmeech - I think that G-OAUR is displaying the incorrect flight number. The timing of the flight, which ran from ACI to SOU matched GR555, and it is now returning from SOU, again displaying AUR4000 but is probably GR556.
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Aeromad....Thankyou for your thoughtful, reasoned and powerful response......it's a shame that the politicians are unlikely to see it, have you thought of sending in a version for the GEP letter page?
PS How long before you stand as an Alderney Deputy on the States?
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GOAUR did GCI - ACI - SOU -ACI - GCI rotation again this evening.......those still wanting to fly on a Tri had better hurry up and be careful on the flight they book!
PS How long before you stand as an Alderney Deputy on the States?
Pete
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GOAUR did GCI - ACI - SOU -ACI - GCI rotation again this evening.......those still wanting to fly on a Tri had better hurry up and be careful on the flight they book!
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Cheers Pete, just my thoughts. Given that I'm only 19 (a tad young to be starting a political career, espc by Alderney standards) and am not a resident of that island, I can't see it happening. Much easier to snipe from the sidelines anyway 
But I do care a great deal about Ald, and it's v disappointing when the people it elects so obviously fall short by wasting their (and States') time on grandstanding.
Good to see the Dorniers flying the bulk of the schedule. It's been a long time coming.
But I do care a great deal about Ald, and it's v disappointing when the people it elects so obviously fall short by wasting their (and States') time on grandstanding.Good to see the Dorniers flying the bulk of the schedule. It's been a long time coming.