Aurigny Air Services
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Thanks Pete. Well don't blame them, still a great aircraft for such a route irrespective of age. The trislanders need to be withdrawn and they can keep joey for pleasure flights.
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Well this has been discussed. The options seem to be twin otter or dornier 228. Will probably have to be used aircrat as new ones wil take forever to recoup their purchase costs. Sure there must be loads of twotters lying around in the deserts.
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Trislanders one for the bean counters
I think we are all missing the boat. Its down to economics, the Tris have zero debt attached to them they are owned outright. Ok fuel is expensive and so is maintenance but Anglo Normandie have a lot of design authority for the Tris therefore life extension work is relativly easy. I belive they have life until 2030. Now how much does a twotter or a 228 cost spread over lets say 7 years and the cost of a second crew member and fares would have to rise. Added to that is additional costs for landing handling and maintenance. Dont get me wrong i like the 228 but for the foreseeable future Joey and friends will be around doing the job they where designed for.
One further point ref LGW and new E175's not so long ago the ATR was up aginst the 146/RJ and still managed to compete.
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One further point ref LGW and new E175's not so long ago the ATR was up aginst the 146/RJ and still managed to compete.
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I thought the Trislanders did have quite significant borrowings against them from a couple of years ago when the whole fleet underwent an expensive wing renewal programme? Probably makes the issue of replacing them harder rather than easier, but I'm pretty certain that there is some financing cost against these aircraft to repay that programme.
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Well i'm sure Aurigny would keep them forever if they could. However as far as I know they will be banned from operating comercial routes from 2012 onwards? In which case a replacement will be needed.
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Also another point about the E175, it only has 8 more seats than than the Dash8's 78 seats compared to the 146's 112 seats. So the seat percentage is not really going to increase that much.
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Trislanders' life expectation and who owns what a/c
A recent BBC Guernsey news item stated that Aurigny's Trislanders 'will last until 2034' - this can be viewed at:
BBC News - Aurigny's Trislanders 'will last until 2034'
The ATDB.aero site suggests that each Tri has acheived between 23 and 26 thousand hours to date - but does not record number of landings unfortunately.
This suggests they have found a way round the legislation mentioned in the posts below. It is also backed by a GEP article today suggesting that an ex Aurigny pilot still wants to buy the Tris and start a new Alderney based company.
Also a short session at the CAA web-site "G-INFO UK Register Database" indicated that the only aircraft leased by Aurigny is the ATR GBWDB. Incidently the same database shows that BI leases GDRFC from a Jersey based company (so might be an offshoot of BI?) and GJIBO from a North of England company (I think this is common knowledge). FlyBE seems to lease quite a lot of its aircraft (too many to check all).
Hope this helps the discussion - does anyone have any further info as to how the Tris can keep flying or who owns the planes?
BBC News - Aurigny's Trislanders 'will last until 2034'
The ATDB.aero site suggests that each Tri has acheived between 23 and 26 thousand hours to date - but does not record number of landings unfortunately.
This suggests they have found a way round the legislation mentioned in the posts below. It is also backed by a GEP article today suggesting that an ex Aurigny pilot still wants to buy the Tris and start a new Alderney based company.
Also a short session at the CAA web-site "G-INFO UK Register Database" indicated that the only aircraft leased by Aurigny is the ATR GBWDB. Incidently the same database shows that BI leases GDRFC from a Jersey based company (so might be an offshoot of BI?) and GJIBO from a North of England company (I think this is common knowledge). FlyBE seems to lease quite a lot of its aircraft (too many to check all).
Hope this helps the discussion - does anyone have any further info as to how the Tris can keep flying or who owns the planes?
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Just for info' about the CAA's G-INFO site - the UK Register of Civil Aircraft is not a register of legal ownership, and registration does not confirm legal title.
A bit like cars are registered to the registered keeper, not the actual owner.
A bit like cars are registered to the registered keeper, not the actual owner.
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Aurigny cuts flights in busy run up to Christmas
Aurigny is suspending it's daily Bristol service and one Gatwick flight between 4th and 18th December.
This is due to maintenance being required on it's oldest ATR 72, Aurigny have said that it is not viable to charter an aircraft for this period.
Blue Islands application to compete on the Bristol service was turned down earlier this year, I would imagine that Derek Coates will have something to say about this.
Aurigny is suspending it's daily Bristol service and one Gatwick flight between 4th and 18th December.
This is due to maintenance being required on it's oldest ATR 72, Aurigny have said that it is not viable to charter an aircraft for this period.
Blue Islands application to compete on the Bristol service was turned down earlier this year, I would imagine that Derek Coates will have something to say about this.
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Wow this is really gonna mess up some people's Christmas plans. Students especially, plus those of us in Wales. How about running some tris if there's no chance of an atr charter? They can certainly do the sector - once flew in a formation pair when atr went sick!
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Further proof i'm afraid of how a small state like Guernsey should not be in control of an airline. They claim it is not financially economical to draft in a plane for a week but other airlines do it often enough. At complete odds with their demands to safe guard the Gatwick route.
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Cheeseman, when was it you flew formation in Tris? Sounds fun 
Considering the Bristol route all too often only carries 10 people, maybe two Trislanders a day during the run up to Christmas and New Year would be a good idea? Dinard is only once daily then, and Alderney quietens down considerably. No ears afterwards though
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Here's a mad idea (would never happen). They could codeshare with Air Southwest on Jersey - Bristol, and lay on the odd extra Guernsey - Jersey flight where needed to get pax on that.
Coates will not be happy, and quite rightly so.
Considering the Bristol route all too often only carries 10 people, maybe two Trislanders a day during the run up to Christmas and New Year would be a good idea? Dinard is only once daily then, and Alderney quietens down considerably. No ears afterwards though
.Here's a mad idea (would never happen). They could codeshare with Air Southwest on Jersey - Bristol, and lay on the odd extra Guernsey - Jersey flight where needed to get pax on that.
Coates will not be happy, and quite rightly so.
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Tris to Bristol
About 3 years ago I reckon. Best bit was watching the ground staff's faces when they didn't know what the hell to do with the doors and the funny little steps. Pilot had to get out and do the whole thing himself.
