Airlines, Airports & Routes Topics about airports, routes and airline business.

Aurigny Air Services

Old 22nd Dec 2016, 18:43
  #1261 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: UK
Posts: 162
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I saw the FR24 track at the time but had assumed that it hadn't recorded correctly. Sounds like quite a scary experience. Had the deicing equipment failed, or were the air conditions particularly bad?
Hermite is offline  
Old 22nd Dec 2016, 19:00
  #1262 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: here there and everywhere
Posts: 62
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Combination of both factors I believe.
RPMcMurphy is offline  
Old 22nd Dec 2016, 22:11
  #1263 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Outside the 12 mile limit
Posts: 75
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
RPM, maybe you could tell us what it was like on board? How were the pax? What did the pilot say? Any injuries, were they serving drinks so did the cart go flying? etc
radiosutch is offline  
Old 22nd Dec 2016, 22:26
  #1264 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: here there and everywhere
Posts: 62
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Following the sudden impromptu aerobatics, the captain advised us that we were returning to Guernsey. No explanation of the cause was offered. No injuries that I know of, a few spilled drinks though. The trolley was well behind me so couldn't see what happened there. All professionally handled by the crew. We got a straight in approach and no blue lights seen on arrival. After arrival one of the groundcrew told me there had been an icing problem. Not a lot to report I'm afraid. Got airborne again a couple of hours later.
RPMcMurphy is offline  
Old 24th Dec 2016, 08:44
  #1265 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: This side of Heaven
Posts: 365
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Yesterday's GR566
Piecing together data from FR24 yesterday evening, GR566 (operated by Trislander G-BEVT) SOU-ACI failed to get in to Alderney but diverted to Jersey before later continuing to Guernsey - evidently with the pax. This morning GR1566 has flown GCI-ACI. Why was the flight unable to land at ACI yesterday? Vis seemed OK. Was the wind outside of limits?
Gurnard is offline  
Old 24th Dec 2016, 10:07
  #1266 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: UK
Posts: 162
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Looking on the web (https://www.windfinder.com/report/alderney), there was a crosswind at ACI yesterday afternoon of 20-25 kts, gusting 30-39 kts. I'd guess that was the reason.
Hermite is offline  
Old 24th Dec 2016, 13:37
  #1267 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: This side of Heaven
Posts: 365
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Thanks Hermite. Must be why - and probably GCI was out of limits earlier evening too otherwise GR would not have used JER.
Gurnard is offline  
Old 3rd Jan 2017, 21:09
  #1268 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: London Whipsnade Wildlife Park
Posts: 5,038
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
https://alderneyangling.com/latest-news?article_id=1
Buster the Bear is offline  
Old 5th Jan 2017, 20:43
  #1269 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: This side of Heaven
Posts: 365
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
COBO to Germany
FR24 shows ATR72 G-COBO flying from GCI to Germany on Monday morning as GR40P. Track is incomplete but suggests that it landed at Monchengladbach. Wonder if this relates in any way to the icing incident before Christmas, or perhaps some in-house engineering is not possible at GCI. Any suggestions?
Gurnard is offline  
Old 5th Jan 2017, 23:44
  #1270 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Guernsey
Posts: 102
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
G-COBO was indeed bound for Monchengladbach. I assume for annual maintenance which is usually carried out around now during the period that the Gatwick flights are reduced to 4 daily flights and flights to other destinations are scaled back. Normal service usually returns just before half term holidays.
Ayline is offline  
Old 7th Jan 2017, 14:23
  #1271 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: South
Age: 43
Posts: 752
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Interesting article Buster. Surely the Dornier has a bigger hold than the tris? The article would suggest not.
Rivet Joint is offline  
Old 7th Jan 2017, 14:50
  #1272 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Under Red One
Age: 76
Posts: 173
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Hold size

They used to carry rods in passenger cabin but under latest regulations are no longer allowed to, so not able to carry them. Progress?
cobopete is offline  
Old 7th Jan 2017, 17:43
  #1273 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Europe
Posts: 2,174
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
To me it appears not to be the smartest business plan to base one's business on the availability of a specific air service with a specific aircraft type operated by a third party...
virginblue is offline  
Old 7th Jan 2017, 21:12
  #1274 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: jersey
Age: 74
Posts: 1,475
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Maybe not. But, on Alderney what else can you do ? Choice is limited to the point of being non-existent !
kcockayne is offline  
Old 8th Jan 2017, 08:11
  #1275 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Sussex
Posts: 87
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Maybe Aurigny should have chosen a different aircraft type on the basis that the Dornier couldn't carry a couple of long fishing rods every month!
Feet on ground is offline  
Old 8th Jan 2017, 10:14
  #1276 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Europe
Posts: 2,174
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I don't think that any aircraft type that can operate into Alderney would fit the requirement - as I understand it, the Tris simply carried the rods in the cabin (which of course the Dornier could also do), but this is no longer permitted regulation-wise. So it is somewhat pointless to blame Aurigny for replacing the Tris with a Dornier unless the business-owner has come up with a novel plan how a 50seater turboprop with a sufficiently large cargo hold can be introduced to ACI...

Just wondering - how is Alderney connected to the outside world in addition to scheduled flights? Groceries etc. certainly will be shipped to the island and how is the ever increasing number of mail order delivieries dealt with? Even if ships do not go back and forth on a daily basis, this certainly must be an alternative way to ship fishing rods instead of closing down an otherwise burgeoning (?) business...
virginblue is offline  
Old 8th Jan 2017, 12:47
  #1277 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: jersey
Age: 74
Posts: 1,475
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
I think that the answer to your question is , "badly". As far as I can remember there is a regular cargo boat (frequency not known) from Guernsey, an infrequent small car ferry to France & a small launch from Guernsey run by a company called "Bumblebee". Otherwise, it's just Aurigny - which was actually set up in1968 solely to replace the air links provided by Jersey Airlines - when they got rid of their Herons. Overall, AUR have provided quite a good service to Alderney ever since ( considering that less than 2000 people live there). However, there are many in Alderney who would not agree with me !
kcockayne is offline  
Old 8th Jan 2017, 13:31
  #1278 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: London
Posts: 47
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
There is a (very good) cargo ship (MV Valiant) that runs Poole-Alderney-Guernsey-Jersey and vice versa once a week; and the small bumblebee passenger boat that runs regularly in the summer season (weather etc permitting) between Guernsey and Alderney (but it is currently off line whilst talks on a subsidy are underway). There are regular summer catamaran movements from France as well. Beyond these everyone on the island are dependent on Aurigny for all passenger arrivals and departures and for mail (in and out) and newspapers etc. Alderney has very few mail order businesses and one less now. Alderney Angling has, it would appear, used mail order sales, to augment a fragile angling tourism business - the fact that the latter is to be affected is what will be a concern on the island. Tourism (both summer visitors and those coming to the many second homes on the island) is the life blood of Alderney and the demise of Alderney Angling is one more negative event. The island simply needs reliable and affordable airlinks (as has been said many times earlier in this thread).
toscana24 is offline  
Old 8th Jan 2017, 15:13
  #1279 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Europe
Posts: 2,174
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
re mail order, I was referring to mail orders by the 2.000 or so people living on the island. I assume that particularly because of the lack of a choice of shops and larger department stores on the island, a lot of folks would resort to mail orders from Amazon and the likes - and these orders must be delivered somehow to the island. So is all that stuff flown into the island or is there parcel mail (and food) just once a week? I am surprised that the needs of 2.000 people can be catered for by a ship that calls once a week and cargo that be squeezed into 19seat passenger planes.
virginblue is offline  
Old 8th Jan 2017, 15:32
  #1280 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: London
Posts: 47
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by virginblue
re mail order, I was referring to mail orders by the 2.000 or so people living on the island. I assume that particularly because of the lack of a choice of shops and larger department stores on the island, a lot of folks would resort to mail orders from Amazon and the likes - and these orders must be delivered somehow to the island. So is all that stuff flown into the island or is there parcel mail (and food) just once a week? I am surprised that the needs of 2.000 people can be catered for by a ship that calls once a week and cargo that be squeezed into 19seat passenger planes.
Yes exactly. Only the weekly boat for food etc. Aurigny is the way in (and out) for people, mail (including parcels) and newspapers. Bumblebee has increasingly come into play for mail/parcels when Aurigny fail (as they have often done in the last year or so). There are no other options (currently). That is why there is such a strength of feeling on Alderney re the performance of Aurigny. That said I personally have flown with the airline many many times to or from ACI and it has to be said that the pilots (and ATC etc) do a great job in the face of weather and scheduling challenges.
toscana24 is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.