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Old 31st Aug 2014, 18:03
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Where is GWK then?

Did you mean LGW by any chance?
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Old 4th Sep 2014, 13:46
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Apparently, the Portuguese dornier operator has let GR down and not coming anytime soon. Can GR continue to operate the tris post end October?
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Old 5th Sep 2014, 12:30
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That was certainly the information leaking out last week - the deal was off.
Not been able to confirm yes or no.

The Tris', and there is only 3 left that are serviceable (well sometimes serviceable) can continue for now, but come mid November will require w/x radar fitting (which isn't going to happen), so flying after then will be subject to forecast w/x conditions. BEVT, JOEY & RLON ?

Can't remember the reggies, but 4th Tris' was refused an extension to its SB190 so is grounded and the 5th Tris' is for the axe. BDTO & RBCI ????
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Old 5th Sep 2014, 17:58
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LCY ATC routing

Would be interested to know if the routing from LCY will route aircraft south of the island before turning to use the Easterly runway like they LCY flights at Jersey seem to do.
Any pilots in the know?
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Old 5th Sep 2014, 18:40
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Five zero, why do they need wx radar by mid November?
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Old 5th Sep 2014, 20:13
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EASA requirement.
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Old 5th Sep 2014, 23:16
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As of 2 September, the purchase of the first Dornier from Portugal was still on. Other than the standard rumour mill which produced the first inkling that it might have been called off, I've heard nothing to the contrary since.
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Old 7th Sep 2014, 11:24
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EASA Requirement

Five zero, so the Tris do not meet the equipment requirements of the EASA regs. Is that what you're saying? The whole fleet or only some? If so, come the 28th October, they'll be grounded, right?
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Old 7th Sep 2014, 17:21
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I've been retired ('JJ ATC) for 7 years, so things may have changed - but I doubt it.
The routeing for 'JB inbounds from G27 (EGLC) should continue as per the GUR 3C STAR ie BEVAV OYSTA GUR 09/27. ie South & West of Jersey then to GUR.
It should be appreciated that most of 'JJ & JB's tfc. (I/B & O/B) comes from/goes to the North, therefore South of the field is less conflicting, not the least reason being the extra amount of airspace available to the APP controller for vectoring.
Additionally, most of the traffic from & to the South of 'JB is inter island & almost never above 3000 ft ('JJ is similar - but no I/I. Therefore, tfc South of the field can be safely descended to 4000 ft. QNH on the STAR without conflicting with the Southerly GUR SIDS, which climb to 3000 to the South. If there are no Southerly STARS at the time, the I/Bs can be descended to 3000 ft. against Inter/Island tfc at 2000 ft.
There is, therefore, no reason for JB APP to vector the a/c North of the field, since they are coming from the South.
If the G3C s are taken to the North of the field, they would conflict with ORTAC & SKERY arrivals & SIDS climbing to FL40 to the North of GUR.
However, if EGJJ Zone get the a/c from Brest early enough, & there is no conflicting traffic, 'JJ may offer the I/B aircraft a direct routing to GUR (North of JEY) & liaise with JB APP before releasing it to them.
In certain circumstances (fairly rare, this might enable the JB APP to vector the aircraft to the North of GUR - although I can't imagine WHY he should do so !
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Old 8th Sep 2014, 15:36
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Thanks for your detailed response; I shall find out for real later this week!
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Old 8th Sep 2014, 17:38
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Excuse my ignorance but can Five Zero By Ortac, or someone else clarify what you mean by :

"Can't remember the reggies, but 4th Tris' was refused an extension to its SB190" . What is an SB190 and why was this particular Tris refused an extension ?

I use ACI-SOU regularly and with only 3 serviceable trislanders the planes are being worked hard, there seems to me more technical delays occuring, maybe as a result of this ? Hopefully not too long before we see a Dornier on the apron.

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Old 8th Sep 2014, 18:01
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Let me know what happened. This time of year, & during weekdays, I suppose that there is more of a chance of a routing North of Jersey & the possibility of downwind left hand for 09 (we are in a spell of easterlies at the moment). but, I still think that downwind right is far more likely.

Have a good flight.
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Old 9th Sep 2014, 07:48
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SB stands for service bulletin and 190 is the number. What it means is that the Tris in service are safe, airworthy and regular inspections and maintenance are being carried out to keep them in that state.
The Dornier(s) are on the way.
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Old 9th Sep 2014, 07:54
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Late finals to answer part of your question. SB-190 is a Britten Norman Service Bulletin issued originally in 1997 it is a mandatory requirement and is titled:

Corrosion affecting primary structure -
Continued Airworthiness of ageing
aircraft in General Aviation use.

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Old 9th Sep 2014, 08:39
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I use ACI-SOU regularly and with only 3 serviceable trislanders the planes are being worked hard, there seems to me more technical delays occuring, maybe as a result of this ? Hopefully not too long before we see a Dornier on the apron.
That was certainly the case yesterday, fog in the morning and three techs in three locations in the afternoon.
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Old 9th Sep 2014, 09:52
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The Dornier(s) are on the way.
Timeframe and source?
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Old 9th Sep 2014, 10:28
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Trislander SB 190

Xtypeman and others, thanks for educating me about this trislander service bulletin, I'm curious as to why the 3 remaining trilanders in service have obviously been signed off as fulfilling the requirements of the SB and are in service, but one hasn't, and has been withdrawn.

Anyone know why this should be ? Was it a much older airframe, higher cycles, more corrosion or another reason ?

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Old 9th Sep 2014, 13:54
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Timeframe and source.

Simulator assessments on Monday,details to be confirmed. That would only have been arranged if the contract has been signed.

LateFinals: Obviously it failed because of corrosion. Why is irrelevant. Rest assured you will not be flying in an aircraft which is not airworthy. Aurigny come in for some stick in the local press and sometimes here but trust me, if it ain't fit to fly then it doesn't. Period.
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Old 10th Sep 2014, 20:14
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LCY inbound

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Tonight's flight routed over the Cherbourg peninsular,north of Sark and then over the top of guernsey before flying down the west coast of Guernsey turning east for a 09 approach
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Old 11th Sep 2014, 06:07
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Thanks for your report. I watched the flight on FR24. Obviously, Brest transferred it early enough to Jersey to enable the direct routing.
Either that, or, someone in 'JB ATC was determined to prove me wrong !
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