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Old 12th Jan 2014, 09:57
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The last I heard they were going to lease 2 from the same company that supplied the one on trial. The leasing company's crew will train Aurigny's pilots on type.
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Old 12th Jan 2014, 10:30
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That makes sense, thanks for clearing it up. I think I read they make batches of 14 and only when all the orders have been filled. I see Venezuela have just ordered a bunch, maybe there will be some slots left for Aurigny.
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Old 26th Jan 2014, 18:41
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Am i reading this right that the Do228 is back in production??

One of my old companies retired them in 2000 from scheduled service and they were old then.

Great aircraft to fly, just like a little sports car on the motorway!
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Old 26th Jan 2014, 20:07
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Yes built by Ruag the Dornier 228NG complete with glass cockpit........
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Old 27th Jan 2014, 21:37
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Aurigny have applied for a license for a twice daily service from Guernsey to London City.
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Old 27th Jan 2014, 23:10
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That's a very bold claim without a reference or something to support your words.

It is a good move for Guernsey however maybe a kick in the teeth for Blue Islands
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Old 27th Jan 2014, 23:20
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That's a very bold claim without a reference or something to support your words.
All over the BBC CI news this evening (about 4.35 in): BBC iPlayer - BBC Channel Islands News: 27/01/2014

Clip will expire tomorrow night.
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Old 28th Jan 2014, 08:42
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Could be posted on the CAA website later today on the Official Record no.2. At the moment the latest is 21st Jan showing Flybe LTN-GCI application.
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Old 28th Jan 2014, 09:33
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Application form here

Services to be operated from May, 2x daily, initially with D228s and then with ATR 42s despite the acknowledgement that by the end of 2014 there are no plans to increase the fleet to include ATR 42s. Are we to see greater co-operation with Blue Islands? Interesting times ahead.
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Old 28th Jan 2014, 11:18
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The cost of operating Dornier 228s into LCY must be atrocious. The last time it was done was 20 years ago by City Air Bus from Humberside and they only survived for a couple of weeks. Even an ATR42 will be rather expensive, given that LCY actively - through pricing - discourages the use of anything smaller than 70 seats.

As we are just at it - with three Dornier 228s scheduled to be in the fleet by the end of 2014, apparently the end is nigh for the Trislander fleet. How many Trislanders are required during peak season to serve ACI-GCI/SOU and GCI-JER/DNR? Cannot be more than four, if at all.
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Old 28th Jan 2014, 13:33
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Yes the 228 will be very expensive into LCY we looked at it back at Air Wales then used the 42 but cost even then where very high. As its a 42 then as BI have already the additional training and experience it makes sense.
As to the Tris nominally there are 5 in the fleet. 3 for daily use one each based ACI, GCI and JER with one spare at GCI and one on maintenance. With the new arrangement for GCI-JER that will reduce the fleet requirements hence two to three 228's only required.
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Old 31st Jan 2014, 16:24
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Where are all these aircraft coming from.

Aurigny seem to be trying to expand mega quick. The London City Application states the route would start in May with Dorniers are these ordered yet or will they be leased??? I can't personally see any point in leasing Dorniers for the GCI-ALD-Southampton routes while they still can run the tri-landers until theirs arrive, and it also lists an ATR-42. Today I receive a e-mail advert from them stating a back up aircraft will be on permanent standby from the middle of next week again where from.
I also cannot under stand the logic in starting a London City service when you also have the LGW slots. The application for London City stated the two weekday services to allow day returns this is obviously aim at the business sector to go to London for the day but this in turn will just remove X about of passengers off the Gatwick red eye new JET service they have boasted about. Anyone who goes on the Red Eye from GCI will know how many are leisure flyers on it NOT MANY. It seems to me the new structure at Aurigny is to grab as many aircraft and routes as possible and not worry about the cash side of it.
Does anyone know 1. When the Dorniers are due, 2. When the new Aurigny / Blue Islands GCI-Jersey service is due to start 3. When their own new E-195 (Not leased) but owned one is due 4. Where and what this back up aircraft will be and finally 5. When the Tri-landers will be retired :-(. At the moment seems lots of promises but no actually dates.
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Old 31st Jan 2014, 16:55
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Anyone know what the x/wind limitations are for the Dornier 228 ?
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Old 31st Jan 2014, 17:43
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Wondering why Blue Islands has not fed its LCY flights from GCI by basing the ATR in GCI for a, say, 0700 departure. For people headed for Bank / Canary Wharf, a hop across to JER and a same airplane onward flight to LCY would have been be much quicker than a GR / BE flight to LGW with an onward train connection.
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Old 31st Jan 2014, 17:54
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1) Unknown
2) Unknown
3) Mid June
4) ATR72 leased from West Air Sweden, arrived in Guernsey on 16th January, in service today.
5) Unknown
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Old 31st Jan 2014, 18:56
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My tuppence worth

Virginblue:
In answer to your question, Blue Island probably haven't done a London city routenot from the want of trying, but because the powers that be in the Guernsey States don't want Blue Island to do it as it will take pax from the Gatwick route. ie the states are using their power to authorise routes which only suits them. Where is the CICRA (CI Competition Regulatory Authority) in all this? Such a conflict of interest, states owning an airline, and then dishing out route licenses. Why can't we be like Jersey and have an open skies policy. At least then we may have got Easyjet on the Gatwick route. Not only would it boost our pax numbers, but keep some healthy competition.

It seems to me our airline is running scared hence the tie up with blueislands, and this 'spare' aircraft. I guess this will be like blue islands spare aircraft which always seems to be in maintenance!!!!
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Old 31st Jan 2014, 19:33
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guern123, last heard officially from Aurigny (a while back) was that the two/three Dorniers would come online in Q4 2014 and the Trislanders would retire roughly simultaneously, give and take a bit of overlap. But with an LCY application suggesting they'll arrive in May, we'd probably best expect them somewhat earlier. LCY strategy is intriguing. Even with a E195 in service as of March (and the owned aircraft by June), there will be slightly fewer seats between on LGW-GCI each day. Certainly a May start date seems very early and I'm not sure what the rush is - but you can't expect the airline to try to grow the London market if it has no spare capacity. This might be their argument; either way I suspect a D228 service will be hideously expensive to run.

Having an ATR back-up seems sensible. There was talk of 'DB being returned to the lessor at the end of summer 2013 although it was decided to extend the lease - not sure how long for. It might be refitted, or GR might just consider that a spare aircraft (perhaps to increase STN to 2x daily as it used to be, perhaps something else or simply to increase ad hoc capacity to what it was pre-2009 when JER-STN and GCI-EMA were restarted) would be a sensible addition.

Hope than answers some questions. In terms of worrying about cash, you're entitled to. But bear in mind that the Trislanders are costing 500ph to run and the Dornier will be substantially (around 40%) cheaper, so the refleeting is an investment rather than an extravagance. Similarly if it weren't for the jet there would be serious underserving of the Gatwick route.

wakeup, not sure I agree. We don't need to be theoretical about how Easyjet might have served Guernsey. Isle of Man is bemoaning its adoption of an open-skies policy and demise of Euromanx on Tynwald's watch for the simple reason that this will be the first for many years where it will be impossible to travel IOM-LON at all between Saturday lunchtime and Sunday evening. BA LCY service subsidised by a local gaming company. Easyjet at its own whims depending on growth of its operation and slot values at LGW. Worth remembering that Al Brouard's Air Transport Licensing Board at Commerce & Employment was independently minded enough to grant Flybe LTN-GCI, despite BE now not wanting to operate after December cuts. So probably a worse time than ever now for Guernsey to adopt open-skies policy.
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Old 31st Jan 2014, 21:08
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Virginblue:
In answer to your question, Blue Island probably haven't done a London city routenot from the want of trying, but because the powers that be in the Guernsey States don't want Blue Island to do it as it will take pax from the Gatwick route. ie the states are using their power to authorise routes which only suits them.
Can the States also regulate the sale of connections through JER? What if SI simply offered an additional early morning / late evening departure from/to GCI on an ATR42 that continued - under a different flight number - from JER to LCY?
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Old 31st Jan 2014, 21:35
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I wouldn't rule out there being some type of codeshare with Blue Islands on the London City route.

On Aurigny's application to the Guernsey Transport Board they state initially using Dornier 228 and then ATR 42.

With Aurigny having no plans to aquire an ATR 42 it's an interesting possibility.
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Old 1st Feb 2014, 07:35
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Aurigny Air Services

If a one crew, rudimentary BN3 costs 500 an hour how come a 2 crew, more sophisticated Do228 costs 40% less ?
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