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Old 31st May 2013, 14:11
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They are hardly going to get a codeshare to JER in competition with BA, are they, or did you just mean GCI?

It would seem that, after years of slugging it out, there ought to be a good opportunity for FlyBe and Aurigny to work together, with a brace of shiny new FlyBe E-jets contract flying between LGW and both JER and GCI in Aurigny colours. After all, a big chunk of BE's recovery plan is based around contract flying and their investor presentation suggest that they seem to be struggling to utilise what aircraft they have, post LGW

Would Aurigny have enough LGW slots to make this work?
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Old 31st May 2013, 17:56
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I actually meant operate the JER route on behalf of BA and also a new GCI route which would be under the BA brand
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Old 31st May 2013, 19:24
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Why would BA with 6 daily 150seater flights be interested in having GR operating the route with smaller aircraft that would have to accommodate all the capacity BA offers + the lost Flybe capacity?

As for GCI, why should GR pay BA lots of money for using the BA brand if they have a monopoly on GCI-LON on their plate as of March 2014?
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Old 13th Jun 2013, 19:48
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Alderney air link to Jersey? - Guernsey News from ITV Channel Television - channelonline.tv
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Old 19th Jun 2013, 14:43
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Small point, Golf Juliet, Bravo - the BA crew on LCY - JFK are Gatwick based, but your point still stands.
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Old 9th Jul 2013, 22:00
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Much coverage in Guernsey of Aurigny getting loans/guarantees for a new aircraft purchase/lease to maintain capacity on the Gatwick run:

BBC News - Aurigny Guernsey-Gatwick route 'needs new plane'
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Old 31st Jul 2013, 13:23
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Initial OK from the States for AUR to get wizzy jet? Interesting times!
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Old 31st Jul 2013, 20:00
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MayBE the lease of the aircraft is already lined up...
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Old 1st Aug 2013, 05:55
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MayBE?

Some knackered old crate from them? But you would not want just one of whatever, otherwise what do you do when its tech / on maintenance / wx delays?
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Old 1st Aug 2013, 12:18
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As if to prove a point the Cello RJ will be in operation today as back-up. Ok to back up an ATR but less easy to find equipment to cover E-jet or whatever considering GCI restricted runway.
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Old 1st Aug 2013, 13:09
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I don't think this is anywhere near as complicated as you make it sound.

IF BE (or anyone else) were contracted to fly to LGW and back x times a day, at specified times, then any mx cover etc, for the regular (liveried?) aircraft would come from the main BE fleet. It would be in the contract.

It's what happens with the current BE/Brussels Airlines contract.
It's what happens with the arrangement between T3 and BA on IOM-LCY.
It's what happens with contract flying, the World over, every day.
It's effectively what happens now with the current BE GCI based E175.
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Old 1st Aug 2013, 13:48
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Lease operations

That depends if it is a wet / damp lease. If it is a dry lease or purchase then it is unlikely that back-up aircraft would be included.
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Old 1st Aug 2013, 14:04
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Complicating Factor

Don't forget that ATR72 WDB is due to be returned at end of lease at the beginning of next year....another factor to be taken into account.
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Old 1st Aug 2013, 16:40
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Would you need it? If they get a bigger aircraft for LGW (don't think they would go down the path of getting more slots?) then what are the ATR's going to be used for? MAN / STN / BRS / EMA - would you actually need 3? Unless they are going to give Flybe a run for their money on SOU????
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Old 1st Aug 2013, 16:51
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Yak97. The type of operation I was referring to would not be a lease. It would be Contract Flying. i.e. airline A operates certain rotations on behalf of airline B. Simples!

If you check out FlyBe's accounts, this is a significant part of their business.
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Old 1st Aug 2013, 17:13
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Flybe for AUR

Don't think it would be politically viable for AUR to be seen to be contracting Flybe (who have just let the Island down by withdrawing their service - notwithstanding the reasons) for the flagship route. And would a E175 be capable of taking the loads if it was the only aircraft? Think AUR would want to have more control over the operation than that. However, as they also need to upgrade from the Trislanders and have, possibly, a new MD in the offing, who knows which way it will go. Maybe they take the quick option of a contract for a period to keep running while they get their ducks in a row. March is not that far away to introduce a new type, which to AUR will represent a big change from the ATR's they have currently been operating.
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Old 1st Aug 2013, 18:54
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Grrr Aurigny ops

Agree, can't see a decedent of Intra, Jersey European, BE, FlyBE being touched with a barge pole given current situation on the island.
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Old 1st Aug 2013, 20:43
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Denim operates 3 E-jets as well
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Old 1st Aug 2013, 20:57
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Ownership

Yes there are operators around with equipment, but I feel that because of the situation regarding the ownership of AUR, if they (the States) put money up or guaranteed loans etc, they will be looking to purchase/lease their "own" aircraft, rather than just pay an operator to supply a service.

I think the Flybe situation regarding the LGW service has been a wake-up call for those people who queried why the States would want to own an airline. Living on a rock in the Channel is all very well so long as you can get off it easily (and to somewhere with some decent onwards connections)!!

Also the IOM situation, where choice is being taken out of the market because of the actions of a LCC to whom the IOM is not a core market but just somewhere to go, has concentrated minds.
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Old 2nd Aug 2013, 13:54
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Aurigny Air Services

As far as I know, it's definitely a Flybe Embraer on lease next year.
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