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Originally Posted by jmc757
And who is going to operate the L1011s? Must be one of the Portugese operators?
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Well I too would love to see this venture work, but I can't see it happening - and I can at least say that I have met the CEO in charge.
I like the principle, simply because I'm fed up with flying around in sardine tins, and don't mind the idea of paying a little bit more for some leg room. And let's face it, CO via EWR is neither comfortable nor convenient if you are comparing strictly with scheduled ops from BHX.
Using a tristar just seems daft, simply on the basis that old aircraft + cheap fares might work, but an attempt at a premium product on such an old beast? Less seats obviously also means more fuel burn on top of the factors already mentioned.
Globespan's daily GLA to SFB is ambitious, but they have excellent local branding, with a bit of help for marketing from the other end. There has to be more room in the market for innovative approaches to transatlantic flights, but BHX to Florida just isn't that place.
The good intentions might be there, combined with a certain amount of persistence to get this off the ground (is it now third time lucky?), but I just don't think the sums can work.
I like the principle, simply because I'm fed up with flying around in sardine tins, and don't mind the idea of paying a little bit more for some leg room. And let's face it, CO via EWR is neither comfortable nor convenient if you are comparing strictly with scheduled ops from BHX.
Using a tristar just seems daft, simply on the basis that old aircraft + cheap fares might work, but an attempt at a premium product on such an old beast? Less seats obviously also means more fuel burn on top of the factors already mentioned.
Globespan's daily GLA to SFB is ambitious, but they have excellent local branding, with a bit of help for marketing from the other end. There has to be more room in the market for innovative approaches to transatlantic flights, but BHX to Florida just isn't that place.
The good intentions might be there, combined with a certain amount of persistence to get this off the ground (is it now third time lucky?), but I just don't think the sums can work.
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I think most are agreed that notionally the fly boowho plan is ok but it is a high risk project. It started as Blu then went to who. It started with B767 then went to L1011 via an A310. Alleged stand off rows with the CPG and the FOI , attempts to sell seats to force them to alter track, doesn't make for a good start does it?
Irrespective of the nonsense regarding the choice of aircraft, the wisdom and judgement of the CEO must be called into question.
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Irrespective of the nonsense regarding the choice of aircraft, the wisdom and judgement of the CEO must be called into question.
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There were a couple of Air Rum L.1011's parked up at Fujairah in the UAE not long ago....
Take them down to GAMCO at AUH and Bob's your proverbial uncle
Next thing you know, Freshaer will be back on the scene applying for slots and full of promises!
Take them down to GAMCO at AUH and Bob's your proverbial uncle Next thing you know, Freshaer will be back on the scene applying for slots and full of promises!
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Originally Posted by Epsilon minus
I see from the web site that you can get fare quotes for flights 13JUL to TPA
Isn't this a little risky? Fare quoted £1504 return for 2 adults. This seems a bit pricey to me.
Isn't this a little risky? Fare quoted £1504 return for 2 adults. This seems a bit pricey to me.
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Umm. This is from their web site. No mention of an L1011 here
and look at this !
So Buster the B. If this is what they're showing on their web site where did you get hold of the L1011-500 information from?
and look at this !
So Buster the B. If this is what they're showing on their web site where did you get hold of the L1011-500 information from?
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Don't read anything into the lack of windows. The seat photo if I'm not mistaken is from FlyWho's cabin mockup on their stand at the World Travel Market in London in November 2004, not from a real aircraft. I would assume that the aircraft type will be listed in FlyWho's slot filings for summer 06, if anyone has access to these for confirmation (maybe that's where you saw the type, Buster?). I think they'd be mad to start operating an L1011-500 themselves, but if they're getting it on wetlease from the likes of EuroAtlantic, it's the latter who takes the operational responsibility for delivering a reliable service (e.g. only flying three rotations a week).
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I think everyone is talking about the L1011 because it was mentioned in this Birmingham Airport Press Release, and this is the most recent enws about Flywho. They have previously menioned 767s, and the A310 pics are from this time last year when they were on about A310s.
Anyhow, is it even likely that FlyWho have made any conscious fleet choice at all? With it being (assumingly) an ACMI operation, is it not more of a case of putting out a tender for XXX size aircraft to fly their routes, and the cheapest bidder gets the business?
Anyhow, is it even likely that FlyWho have made any conscious fleet choice at all? With it being (assumingly) an ACMI operation, is it not more of a case of putting out a tender for XXX size aircraft to fly their routes, and the cheapest bidder gets the business?
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Can't understand how it can be an a.c.m.i operation when Flywho have no OL or AOC, unless they pay by the hour then a complete re-charge on the other costs? They still require an AOC / OL to get the rights/flt no's etc ?????
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WhoFlu?
Just read through this thread, and I can barely believe it; there doesn't seem to be a single post from the WhoFlu? CEO himself, in any one of his many, many guises (i.e cabin crew who'd love to join, flight deck who wish them well and were impressed at interview, cleaners who admire their offices, barstaff who thought they were well-behaved at the WhoFlu? Christmas Party etc etc). At least he seems to have finally learnt something - ignore Pprune if you want to start an airline, and talk about it when it's real.
As to aircraft type, of course the L1011-500 won't make any sense in the real world. But as anyone knows who has run the numbers, if you dramatically increase the revenue yield per passenger then suddenly lousy, uneconomic aircraft start to look profitable. Remember Birmingham Exec with the 12-seat Jetstream at BA Club-class fares? Problem is that the punters don't tend to read the business plan, and shop around until they find the cheapest price. Of course some products sell on quality, but it can take decades to establish the brand. WhoFlu? Only time will tell......
As to aircraft type, of course the L1011-500 won't make any sense in the real world. But as anyone knows who has run the numbers, if you dramatically increase the revenue yield per passenger then suddenly lousy, uneconomic aircraft start to look profitable. Remember Birmingham Exec with the 12-seat Jetstream at BA Club-class fares? Problem is that the punters don't tend to read the business plan, and shop around until they find the cheapest price. Of course some products sell on quality, but it can take decades to establish the brand. WhoFlu? Only time will tell......
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http://www.bhx.co.uk/page.aspx?type=...e=zWK1nZ3UKPI=
well written.....
..."the world's longest legroom". What does that mean?
well written.....
..."the world's longest legroom". What does that mean?
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They would struggle to find L1011 with a
"State-of-the-art individual entertainment systems for every passenger", unless they want to invest into IFE the amount comparable to the price of airframe...
"State-of-the-art individual entertainment systems for every passenger", unless they want to invest into IFE the amount comparable to the price of airframe...