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You totally correctwith the figures as always. The runway taxiways and apron were well inspected twice by Wizzair people, and included a tour of the control tower (best place for the view too!). I realise they plan to re-equip with the A321. Is there a date for the phasing out of the A320s?
You totally correctwith the figures as always. The runway taxiways and apron were well inspected twice by Wizzair people, and included a tour of the control tower (best place for the view too!). I realise they plan to re-equip with the A321. Is there a date for the phasing out of the A320s?
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I stand to be corrected, but believe the A320's will start to be replaced in 2019 and that the process to replace them all will take 5 years or so. A lot can change in that period of course.
Can I just add that I've copied the superb summary of the runway provided by Expressflight. It's too good not to. Will try not to infringe his copyright if I refer to it elsewhere!
Can I just add that I've copied the superb summary of the runway provided by Expressflight. It's too good not to. Will try not to infringe his copyright if I refer to it elsewhere!
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The NEO versions are supposed to have better short field and take off performance characteristics. I don't know if that would make any appreciable difference.
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Somehow tho I do get slightly nervous when TODA`s....ASDA`s....& LDA`s are constantly mentioned on this thread...if it is meant as assurance or reassurance be careful it might not help to serve an opposite effect,certainly to parties uneducated in the parlance.No other Aerodrome thread appears to have or need these operational runway length discussions apart from SOU,which is more accepted as marginal for certain ops & a/c...
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Could I respectfully suggest that you're not obliged to read any discussion that you don't consider appropriate or necessary. The information I gave wasn't intended as "assurance or reassurance" but simply to put the full picture out there and to dispel any possible misconceptions. One thing is for sure and that is that it won't come as news to Wizzair. As tophat27dt informed us they will be fully aware of the numbers.
As for the acronyms I'm happy to write Take-Off Distance Available, Accelerate-Stop Distance Available (what used to be called Emergency Distance), Landing Distance Available and Runway End Safety Area if you feel it would help some readers to better understand my post.
Could I respectfully suggest that you're not obliged to read any discussion that you don't consider appropriate or necessary. The information I gave wasn't intended as "assurance or reassurance" but simply to put the full picture out there and to dispel any possible misconceptions. One thing is for sure and that is that it won't come as news to Wizzair. As tophat27dt informed us they will be fully aware of the numbers.
As for the acronyms I'm happy to write Take-Off Distance Available, Accelerate-Stop Distance Available (what used to be called Emergency Distance), Landing Distance Available and Runway End Safety Area if you feel it would help some readers to better understand my post.
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New routes from Eilat this winter
https://wizzair.com/en-gb/informatio...on-in-israel#/
6th aircraft for Gdansk this December
https://wizzair.com/en-gb/informatio...ds-in-gdansk#/
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6th aircraft for Gdansk this December
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It would appear that you are receiving some incoming at the moment. It was only a few weeks ago that you were pleading for lesser known airports to be named in full rather than by their three letter codes. Now you are thrown by airport runway details being posted in acronyms rather than plain language. May I suggest that rather than down grade this forum to meet your requirements you take the time and trouble to study your hobby, after all if you were in the industry you wouldn't need to ask such questions . If you Google airport codes and runway details all the information is at your fingertips. Good luck!!
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Planespeaking....Firstly apologies to the WZZ thread & readers but I just require to briefly & quickly reply to the above.....Right Sir.....You really need to read posts in the forum correctly...so the "pleading" for lesser airports to be named in full on the SEN thread rather than 3 letter codes is NOT attributable to me..you really really need to check again..FYI I am not "thrown" by operational acronyms really,I was merely suggesting above that other more general readers-(yes I know it is a professional forum but I think we all realise...)-perhaps may be & wondering too why declared R/W operational lengths constantly feature on the SEN thread,where they do not on any other....BTW,to refer to your other comment I will not trade with you any personal details which you feel very free to attempt to allude & guess at 
)...so enough already...I am very happy to "discuss"(with my limited knowledge as you say) any commercial or operational view or knowledge you may have concerning SEN but on the SEN thread.. & not just personal attacks....So Sir...yes Good Luck..
)...so enough already...I am very happy to "discuss"(with my limited knowledge as you say) any commercial or operational view or knowledge you may have concerning SEN but on the SEN thread.. & not just personal attacks....So Sir...yes Good Luck..
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southside had got prolific and most of it is pointless drivel...what is it, bored on school holidays? Perhaps just stick to telling us about new routes at STN, something useful.
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Ask yourself, would wizz visit SEN twice if they were not seriously considering future ops.They will be only too aware of the numbers, the thames gateway area homes
many many thousands of easten europeans. personally, i believe there is an argument for a lcc to give easten europe routes a serious go.
many many thousands of easten europeans. personally, i believe there is an argument for a lcc to give easten europe routes a serious go.
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Although there was talk two or three years ago that the A320neo would offer improved airfield performance it would appear this may not have been achieved in practice. The issue for Airbus was that the basic weight of the A320neo airframe engine combination was 1.8 tonnes heavier than for the A320ceo and this would have impacted on short runway operations. To rectify this situation Airbus developed a package of aerodynamic improvements with the aim of restoring identical or improved take off performance compared with the A320ceo. This article from Flight Global two months ago explains: -
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...0neo-t-437479/
Whether an improvement was achieved is not clear - one would have thought Airbus would be publicising it more widely if that were the case. What is more certain is that the improved fuel burn of the neo (claimed and apparently corroborated as c.15%) will translate into a useful range increase at full payload from a performance limited runway.
To translate this into real terms, a more useful calibration of A320 performance from SEN (than the examples quoted earlier in this thread) would be to compare the EZY A320 operation from SEN to Tenerife. SEN-TFS is 1611 nautical miles great circle distance and EZY were reported to cap sales to 170 - this was for the 180-seat A320 without sharklets). SEN-ACE was capped at -5. This is for the six month winter period. Now a recent post from a credible poster on the SEN thread indicates that EZY expect to be able operate the A320neo SEN-TFS in winter without restriction , and also during summer though sometimes restricted.
The above figures of course are not absolutes. They represent the commercial and operational assessments of one airline for route planning purposes. A different airline with different routes might adopt a more (or less) conservative approach.
Although there was talk two or three years ago that the A320neo would offer improved airfield performance it would appear this may not have been achieved in practice. The issue for Airbus was that the basic weight of the A320neo airframe engine combination was 1.8 tonnes heavier than for the A320ceo and this would have impacted on short runway operations. To rectify this situation Airbus developed a package of aerodynamic improvements with the aim of restoring identical or improved take off performance compared with the A320ceo. This article from Flight Global two months ago explains: -
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...0neo-t-437479/
Whether an improvement was achieved is not clear - one would have thought Airbus would be publicising it more widely if that were the case. What is more certain is that the improved fuel burn of the neo (claimed and apparently corroborated as c.15%) will translate into a useful range increase at full payload from a performance limited runway.
To translate this into real terms, a more useful calibration of A320 performance from SEN (than the examples quoted earlier in this thread) would be to compare the EZY A320 operation from SEN to Tenerife. SEN-TFS is 1611 nautical miles great circle distance and EZY were reported to cap sales to 170 - this was for the 180-seat A320 without sharklets). SEN-ACE was capped at -5. This is for the six month winter period. Now a recent post from a credible poster on the SEN thread indicates that EZY expect to be able operate the A320neo SEN-TFS in winter without restriction , and also during summer though sometimes restricted.
The above figures of course are not absolutes. They represent the commercial and operational assessments of one airline for route planning purposes. A different airline with different routes might adopt a more (or less) conservative approach.
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2nd A320 for Iasi with 6 new routes starting end of April 2018
https://wizzair.com/en-gb/informatio...sion-in-iasi#/
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I have just read that Flightglobal report to which you provided a link. It looks to me as if there will be improved airfield performance because it says:
"A320neo V speeds are actually lower than those on the A320ceo ..... This enables us to offer very good take-off performance."
No doubt at some stage the performance graphs will appear in the public domain and it will be interesting to the actual differences between the two aircraft.
I have just read that Flightglobal report to which you provided a link. It looks to me as if there will be improved airfield performance because it says:
"A320neo V speeds are actually lower than those on the A320ceo ..... This enables us to offer very good take-off performance."
No doubt at some stage the performance graphs will appear in the public domain and it will be interesting to the actual differences between the two aircraft.
2nd A320 for Iasi with 6 new routes starting end of April 2018
https://wizzair.com/en-gb/informatio...sion-in-iasi#/
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Ah, I hadn't taken the extra weight of the NEO engines into account. Overall, though, payload/range across the board is improved by using less fuel, but as you say if you are weight restricted anyway, this will be of less relative benefit on shorter flights.
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Routes from Tuzla will be reduced starting September; LTN and NUE will disappear from winter schedule
WizzAir Tuzla seasonal changes from Sep 2017 :: Routesonline
WizzAir Tuzla seasonal changes from Sep 2017 :: Routesonline
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Wizzair are cancelling some flights on their Liverpool - Katowice route, namely the Thursday morning flights. There will be no Thursday flights after 5 October, I was booked on the 26 October, only choice for me is to Warsaw instead on the same day just as long as that doesn't get cancelled too.
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Wizzair are cancelling some flights on their Liverpool - Katowice route, namely the Thursday morning flights. There will be no Thursday flights after 5 October, I was booked on the 26 October, only choice for me is to Warsaw instead on the same day just as long as that doesn't get cancelled too.