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Old 2nd Feb 2012, 10:49
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I heard Ryanair may start LPL to Lviv
I don't think this is possible...Ukraine is non-EU, so a more restrictive bilateral is in place which is likely to restrict scheduled service operations between the UK and destinations in Ukraine to UK and Ukrainian carriers only (except, in the extremely unlikely instance, the Ukrainian government will play ball to change their bilateral air service agreement with the UK AND none of the Ukrainian carriers object to this).

All this said, I have been surprised for some time now that easyJet have ignored points in Eastern Europe outside of the EU (and the Ukraine is probably the biggest market available to the for UK originating flights that isn't Russia...which is a whole different ball park for traffic rights!)
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Old 2nd Feb 2012, 14:38
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WIZZAIR is going to transfer her Warsaw's base to Modlin

Wizz Air Switches Warsaw Network to New Modlin Airport :: Routesonline
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Old 3rd Feb 2012, 13:19
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A war with Ryanair in Budapest is becoming a reality now. Let's just compare the routes.

Wizzair:.

Destination / frequency Summer 2012
  • Bucharest / 4
  • London Luton / 21
  • Brussels Charleroi / 14
  • Eindhoven / 13
  • Milan Bergamo / 11
  • Rome (CIA) / 10
  • Barcelona / 7
  • Malmo / 7
  • Madrid / 7
  • Stockholm Skavsta / 4
  • Bourgas / 3
  • Bari / 3
  • Dortmund / 3
  • Gothenburg / 3
  • Tirgu Mures / 3
  • Frankfurt Hahn / 3
  • Naples / 2
  • Bologna Forli / 2
  • Turku / 2
  • Catania / 2
  • Pisa / 2
  • Palma de Mallorca / 1
  • Corfu / 1
  • Antalya / 1

and Ryanair routes:
  • Alicante
  • Manchester
  • Baden Baden
  • Munich West
  • Barcelona
  • Milan (BGY)
  • Birmingham
  • Warsaw (Modlin)
  • Bologna
  • Oslo
  • Bristol
  • Palma
  • Brussels (CRL)
  • Paphos
  • Chania
  • Paris (BVA)
  • Dublin
  • Pisa
  • Eindhoven
  • Rhodes
  • Gottenburg
  • Rome (CIA)
  • Hamburg (LBC)
  • Stockholm (NYO)
  • Krakow
  • Thessaloniki
  • London (STN)
  • Trapani
  • Madrid
  • Venice (TSF)
  • Malaga
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Old 3rd Feb 2012, 13:22
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From asking around to a few people in the industry Ryanair aren't even close to confirming their flights and still haven't agreed anything with Budapest yet for this so called base.....
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Old 3rd Feb 2012, 13:24
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Some Ryanair flights are already on sale. E.g. NYO timetables show BUD based a/c.

I just hope Wizz will be wiser and will try to optimise their routes.
For example, both Wizz and Ryan fly to Eindhoven twice daily or more, to different destinations in Sweden over 20 x a week, to entire Finland just twice a week.
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Old 3rd Feb 2012, 13:29
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We'll they're listing Warsaw Chopin airport on their site at the moment rather than Modlin for a route to Budapest and a lot of the routes are not even on sale at the moment,

Just saying:
Sorry, there are no available flights departing on <dates>

The only ones I can get to show up are those previously announced.
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Old 7th Feb 2012, 12:34
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Wizzair to operate to Modlin to/from Budapest.
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Old 7th Feb 2012, 13:57
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Wizzair to operate to Modlin to/from Budapest.
Insane. Just as I've mentioned few posts earlier (Budapest "war").
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Old 7th Feb 2012, 14:04
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Flying LTN-BUD with Wizz in a few weeks time, had already booked before FR from STN came on sale for what is about 1/3 price. Wizz timings are better though, return leg BUD-STN leaving at 06:30 so would probably have chosen Wizz from LTN anyway. Not sure if this is something that might potentially help Wizz across the board here?
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Old 7th Feb 2012, 14:27
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Having used both, Wizzair are worse when it comes to disruption, partly due to fleet size which means they can't send an extra plane to fill in for one thet gets held up elsewhere,and they're certainly not as punctual as Ryanair - hence their delay warranty product.

I flew WAW to LTN twice and the crew were terrible. I won't go into too many specifics but lets just say the crew didn't seem to take the job seriously which could have led to a serious accident because his attentions were focused on a female colleague on one flight, and on the second flight, same guy, turned off the lights half way through the flight so he could get romantic with a different girl without anyone seeing.

Saying that though I've flew with them about six times on other routes and the crew have been fine and had no problems, the seats are quite nice, perhaps a little bit better than Ryanair but therre really is not much in it, but I won't fly WAW to LTN again simply because of the fact the couple of experiences I had were so bad.

The problem (and advantage) that Wizzair have is that they are very well known in Eastern Europe and some parts of central Europe, but in Western Europe, the only people who seemed to have heard of them are migrants who have moved from countries where they are well known, apart from a few exceptions. So I think WAW-BUD they will win that war with Ryanair getting hammered.

As for routes from BUD/WMI to Western Europe or the UK and Ireland? I can see them carrying outbound pax to these countries, and also migrants who have moved to Western Europe, but for incoming tourists to Budapest and Modlin I don't think they will manage a whole lot. Ryanair will be much better in that respect.
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Old 7th Feb 2012, 17:10
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Insane.
It looks that way.
Budapest - Terminal 1 » Warsaw Chopin
date: Mon 02 Apr 12
fareclass: SUPER PROMO!
flight: W6 2467
departs: BUD 15:30
arrives: WAW 16:45
1 Adult: 300 HUF
price: 300 HUF

Warsaw Chopin » Budapest - Terminal 1
date: Wed 04 Apr 12
fareclass: SUPER PROMO!
flight: W6 2468
departs: WAW 17:15
arrives: BUD 18:30
1 Adult: 300 HUF price: 300 HUF
Booking fee 0 HUF


total price 600 HUF

total price in EUR 2.16 EUR
EUR 2.16 for the return flight...
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Old 7th Feb 2012, 17:17
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Flying LTN-BUD with Wizz in a few weeks time, had already booked before FR from STN came on sale for what is about 1/3 price.
Was that the price after all of Ryanair hidden extras like booking fees etc?
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Old 7th Feb 2012, 17:22
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To be fair when it comes to additions Wizzair have them too, and they even have a club you can join for 30 euro a year which will give you the cheapest fares and a 'delay warranty'. Card fee is a euro more expensive on Wizz as well and they charge a hidden fee on all flights from Ireland, claiming there is a ten euro government tax when it is only three.

Oh and if you are clever right now you can book a Wizzair flight from Chopin to Budapest now for 4PLN - current rates that is 95c. Totally crazy.

Wonder if they are getting any subsidy at either or the two ends? Maybe both? Otherwise it's not going to be sustainable for more than a very short while.
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Old 7th Feb 2012, 18:10
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Varadi mentioning launching 10 new routes from Budapest
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Old 7th Feb 2012, 19:11
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Wizz Air

4 added by FR and the 5 is crete with FR at one airprot and W6 at the other.
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Old 8th Feb 2012, 13:20
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In a way, I feel compassion for Wizz. Within two weeks got a competitor on some twenty of its routes and this rival, Ryanair, is probably on of the worst.

I only hope they (W6) will be smart/ wise enough to withdraw or reduce flights on some routes where price war will lead to loss of the profitability.

There are still some niche areas in Europe. Like the one from my own country: Lappeenranta (St. Petersburg West). That's the place FR didn't know how to proceed. Wizz knows Eastern Europe better than Ryanair. Targeting Russians in their language, providing the airport transfers across the border, learning to serve a bit different customers. Would be a pity to burn money elsewhere only in the name of competition.

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Old 8th Feb 2012, 13:34
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I think Wizz missed a trick here though, they initially were ahead of the game and got a better deal deal with both Modlin and Budapest than Ryanair, but for some reason, they then started a price war with fares for around a euro between a few destinations which are never going to be sustainable long term for them, but FR are going to be able to sustain it for a lot longer.

They won the first battle but then backed themselves into a corner, as a war with way below cost pricing is at the end of the day will always favour the company with the stronger balance sheet, and the biggest fleet and the lower the prices go the more the smaller rival has to lose. Which makes it all the more bizarre that they resorted to that price the moment that FR announced such routes.

Still, Wizz do have a niche and are more well known in the CE and EE market than Ryanair in several countries and can use this to their advantage. There problem will be though I don't think they are going to do that much for inbound tourism to the likes of Budapest and Warsaw because quite frankly you ask an average person in most Western countries and they've never heard of them whilst Ryanair is well known almost everywhere.
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Old 10th Feb 2012, 08:11
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According to Hungarian portfolio.hu MOL has officially declared war on Wizzair.
"The loss-making Wizz Air will not be able to compete with Ryanair either in prices, or costs or precision," O’Leary said. Should Wizz Air continue to battle, Ryanair will offer prices 50% lower than its rival at all times, he added. To demonstrate Wizz Air’s losses, he presented the carrier’s 2011 numbers showing a EUR 8.7 m net loss for last year.
These numbers were shown in Hungarian only. If you think thank Hungarian and Finnish languages are similar, you're wrong. They are only very distant "cousins" - yet I've translated the table for you, hopefully in a right way:

Wizzair results according to Ryanair ...
Bevetel = Income (sales)
Bruttó fedezet = Gross profit
Muködesi eredmény = Operating result
Pénzügyi eredmény = Financial result
Adózas elotti eredmény = Pre-tax result
Netto eredmény = Net result
(I know, an economist would correct a bit here)
It was an interesting moment at the press conference when the company distributed the annual report (for the financial year ended on 31 March 2011) of Wizz Air Holdings (registered on the Channel Islands in 2009). With the rival’s numbers in hand O’Leary tried to persuade the press that Wizz Air will not be able to compete with Ryanair. The CEO said, for instance, that while they do not have to make deposits when ordering an aircraft from the manufacturer Wizz Air must.

The document also shows that at the end of March last year Wizz Air had EUR 82 m in cash and an additional EUR 22 m earmarked cash stock, and that it also had a EUR 32.7 m liability in form of an inter-company loan.
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NEW WIZZAIR 'S AIRPORT : DEBRECEN (Hungary)

From June 18th 2012 (3 flights per week)

London Luton (LTN) to Debrecen (DEB)
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Old 13th Feb 2012, 18:28
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An interesting route.
Whats left for Wizz Air to expand to? Nis, Maribor, Ohrid, Tatry Poprad or Kosice?
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