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Old 20th Jun 2012, 21:48
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It would appear that Sir Peter is moving some of his businesses from elsewhere to CVT. We have new neighbours. They have moved with their (Sir Peter Rigby owned) company from Cranfield. I guess he is consolidating around the airport.
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They would still make more money than no passenger services!
No they wouldn't! Ask Thomson................................
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Thomson paid millions to get out of a contract to fly from Cov. It looks like there will be lots of availabe slots at BHX & EMA as baby goes and others cut routes.
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be free Monarch are adding more planes and taking a lot of the old Baby routes.Think there are only 2 not covered for next summer.KLM add another rotation and increase aircraft size to cover AMS .

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No they wouldn't! Ask Thomson...............................
I was saying that the airport should be able to make more money, whether or not the airline does is their business.

Of course, I am assuming that the airport would charge a handling fee which was sufficient enough to give them a margin. Now we know that not all airports do that, and we also know that the previous Coughco guys halved the fees in a desperate bid to attract custom.

I am giving Sir Peter enough credit to assume that he wouldn't repeat either of those mistakes.

I look forward to supporting Steakout. Coventry must survive. It deserves to survive.
Steakout?

I want to see my local airport survive too, but it is only of direct use to me if it starts operating passenger flights again. I don't hold out much hope of this happening, especially as the one long shot scenario that might have bagged a base deal is not showing any sign of materialising.

However, the airport is not there to provide an urban status symbol for the city fathers. It is there to turn a profit for its owners, or be turned into something else, subject to the small matter of getting that something else past the village fathers at WDC.

That, my friends, is going to be way harder than attracting a new airline!
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Has anybody on here ever been in a meeting with an airline and seeing thier requirements? CVT will not be able to meet the standards required without investing massive massive amounts of money, and that if the council even allowed them to build anything.. The airport will never grow to more than it is now its a fact! Easy are going to BHX and the tender has gone out to 3 handling agents over there (well 2 now as one didnt make the grade) CVT will jut stay as a little GA airfield if anything. Im sorry to say it, id be supprised if its stilll here in 12 months time...prob make more money by selling all the scrap off...
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Old 25th Jun 2012, 18:57
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..........subject to the small matter of getting that something else past the village fathers at WDC. That, my friends, is going to be way harder than attracting a new airline!
That is so true. Warwick District Council have always had a down on Coventry having an airport. They have put every possible obstacle in the way. Methinks this goes way back to the days when Coventry was taken out of Warwickshire, with the subsequent loss of revenue to the county.


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Old 25th Jun 2012, 20:02
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That is so true. Warwick District Council have always had a down on Coventry having an airport. They have put every possible obstacle in the way. Methinks this goes way back to the days when Coventry was taken out of Warwickshire, with the subsequent loss of revenue to the county.
Comments were made at the time of the inquiry along the lines of "if Stoneleigh doesn't like the airport, they will love it when they find out what plan B is".

Insert gravel pit, offenders / asylum cells / dirty industry of your choice.

The problem would still be that WDC have the final call. If only they'd called it "Coventry Shakespeare" or "Coventry - Warwick - South Midlands" then maybe we'd still have a few flights - although the name would have only bought some political favours, it doesn't put bums on seats, as our friends at MME know too well!
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Old 26th Jun 2012, 00:52
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I was saying that the airport should be able to make more money, whether or not the airline does is their business.

Of course, I am assuming that the airport would charge a handling fee which was sufficient enough to give them a margin. Now we know that not all airports do that, and we also know that the previous Coughco guys halved the fees in a desperate bid to attract custom.

I am giving Sir Peter enough credit to assume that he wouldn't repeat either of those mistakes.
I agree he wouldn't repeat the mistake. Unfortunately that means little or no passenger services. LoCo's are given silly prices for the first year at BHX, with access to all the facilities. BHX make the money from the passengers using the shops, bars and car parks. CVT has nothing to make money from other than aviation charges. As that would probably not be enough to cover costs it's not worth their while chasing anything.
Like you I would like to see it succeed. However, I believe it will slowly be squeezed by the Rigby developments. Keeping it as a small private aircraft field and maybe some small freight operations to feed a few business' in the new development.
The Council have no real ambition for it, as they are major shareholders in BHX. They do, however, like the business park idea....
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Old 26th Jun 2012, 17:03
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That is so true. Warwick District Council have always had a down on Coventry having an airport. They have put every possible obstacle in the way. Methinks this goes way back to the days when Coventry was taken out of Warwickshire, with the subsequent loss of revenue to the county.
You mean they hold a grudge for something that happened in 1451?

I get the impression that Warwick would rather Coventry didn't exist.

My solution would be quite simple: make Coventry into the Administrative centre for a new "Coventry and Warwickshire" County. I can imagine that would be deeply unpopular, but would make sense for facilities to be centralised, and would also boost Coventry somewhat. They should have done this in the 1970s rather than creating the 'West Midlands' County.
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Old 26th Jun 2012, 21:56
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Coventry Airport

I keep looking at this thread and have been for the past 3 years

I have always said Coventry Airport would be come a Housing Estate and Sir Peter xxxxxxx(Whatever his name) will sell it for same which he appears to be doing

Its an awful shame but Coventry Airport Cant go on SORRY

Ive been saying it for years and will continue with my belief

Next Candidates (BEFORE YOU SHOUT AT ME ONLY AN OPINION)


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We shall wait and see
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Old 26th Jun 2012, 22:13
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learjet50, you will need to clarify why you chose those airports that are in your opinion going to turn into housing estates.

I'm not really clued up on CVT, but it seems to have a part to play without passenger services. The only one I might agree with you on is MME, and that is only because of the people who own it.
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Old 26th Jun 2012, 22:41
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LoCo's are given silly prices for the first year at BHX, with access to all the facilities.
Yes, but that is still just the first year - MOL has stormed off before when he couldn't get an extension on this, and he is more interested in using BHX for parking these days than he is in adding more routes.

BHX make the money from the passengers using the shops, bars and car parks. CVT has nothing to make money from other than aviation charges.
Well last time I checked, the closest CVT had to a station was the rusting old wrecks that make up the electric railway museum, the other side of the runway.

CVT must surely make more from parking that BHX as BHX will still be amortising its huge multi storey parking structures, which will also cost more to operate.

I agree about shops & bars - CVT can do the portakabin version, but that won't yield the same results.

On balance, could CVT offer the right airline a workable deal? I'd still like to believe it can, but time is running out to prove that - it is not exactly as if this thread is full of comments along the lines of "so and so from Air XYZ was spotted at the airport today".

No smoke without fire.
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Old 27th Jun 2012, 16:50
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jabird Love your optimism, but, CVT couldn't hope to make enough from car parking, on the areas they have, to make up for the losses in revenue, even for the first year of a deal. There are then sliding scales ongoing.
Yes MOL did storm off, in the days when Ryanair had the power, but, he came back. They don't wield the power they once had with larger airports. However, with smaller airports, they screw them into the ground to make up for it.
No doubt CVT could get a couple of small pax services, but, absolutely nothing they will make any money from.....
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CVT must surely make more from parking that BHX
Think you've been sniffing correcting fluid me old fruity!!

As someone who was born in Coventry and watched the rise and fall of the airport since the late 60's/early 70's let me assure you that the latest owner is NOT interested in the airport as an airport. He'll bide his time and sell the site off when the time is right to the highest bidder. Who knows what the future holds for Baginton but as an airport, it aint.

Anyone who believes otherwise should borrow your bike and ride off into the sunset!
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Old 28th Jun 2012, 14:04
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BBC News - Newquay Airport gets classic aircraft museum

An unfortunate loss - I would have thought Coventry would hav eheld onto this as a part of their aviation diversity.
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Old 28th Jun 2012, 14:09
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How many of the aircraft at the Baginton Museum would this affect?

I don't know whether the Classic Aircraft Trust owns all or part of the aircraft collection there.
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How many of the aircraft at the Baginton Museum would this affect?

I don't know whether the Classic Aircraft Trust owns all or part of the aircraft collection there.
Its not the Midland Air Museum - it's the former Air Atlantique Classic Flight - the ones that run the Rapides, the jets, etc from the hangars. More than what it means for the museum, I wonder what it means for Airbase...
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Thanks for putting me straight
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As someone who was born in Coventry and watched the rise and fall of the airport since the late 60's/early 70's let me assure you that the latest owner is NOT interested in the airport as an airport. He'll bide his time and sell the site off when the time is right to the highest bidder. Who knows what the future holds for Baginton but as an airport, it aint.
I thought the actual land owner was Coventry City Council, but they lease it out... Does this mean the lease owner will have to get agreement from the leaseholder to change its use from an airport to something else?

One of the criticisms of those Enterprise Zones was that businesses would relocate from elsewhere to take advantage of the cheaper rents...

That rusting railway thing is a shocking sight. I wonder if this place will feature in the future of the airport/area in the big plans that have been drawn up?
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