Cityjet

[cloudier]

Landing gear problem cause of DUB div

[Wingman1000]

CityJet reduced its pretax losses to €30.5 million in 2014:


CityJet reduces losses to ?30m following takeover


Still a significant gap to close. Intensified competition on DUB-LCY in 2015 will not help.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Another 6 jets added to the Sukhoi Superjet 100 order, 4 options still available.

Media suggesting talks about selling the airline are at an advanced stage.

[CabinCrewe]

does anyone else have an iffy feeling about this? Can we really see a fleet of 20 Cityjet Sukhois? Who woyld want to buy it? Can only see a wet lease model perhaps working given that a lot of their scheduled route attempts have been duds

[SWBKCB]

Does seem odd, although I would expect they're getting a very good deal to try and establish the type in Western Europe.

[flying officer kite]

I've been fortunate enough to fly on most things out there, including the Aeroflot Superjet 3 times, and i can honestly say hands down it beats pretty much anything else out there in the same size. It is very quiet, comfortable and i'm told it is very efficient. It combines good strong Russian airframe design with Western tech. I can't wait to try it out with Cityjet. The only real competitor to it will be the CS-100..

[EI-BUD]

Original quote by CabinCrewe;


[ does anyone else have an iffy feeling about this? Can we really see a fleet of 20 Cityjet Sukhois? Who woyld want to buy it? Can only see a wet lease model perhaps working given that a lot of their scheduled route attempts have been duds ]


I agree entirely about the wet lease model, I would hope that this is what is planned. Otherwise Cityjet need to be part of something bigger. The plan to buy the new fleet will centre on a few things,

• High cost of operating the ARJs which have 4 engines will be reduced
• The ARJ fleet was the subject of a sale and lease back to raise funds, so the business case for the new jets in terms of lease payments will be easily compared and must surely stack up
• As already said Sukhoi will have given a significant discount to put the type firmly on the map in Western Europe.

From my perspective it is only a pity that the order did not go to C-Series, time was not on C-Series side, with certification some way off for LCY I would have thought....

[El Bunto]

It isn't just timing that's a problem for the C-Series, also leasing rates; more than an A320CEO say the rumours. The big leasing companies are pricing-in program risk and aiming to cover their investment quicker than normal.

Also Cityjet have probably had enough of geared turbofans for the time being...

[WHBM]

Originally Posted by El Bunto

It isn't just timing that's a problem for the C-Series, also leasing rates; more than an A320CEO say the rumours. The big leasing companies are pricing-in program risk and aiming to cover their investment quicker than normal.

Certainly in the past manufacturers have had to give guarantees to leasing companies on long term residual values. I believe Shorts had to do this on the SD330/360, which when they did have a financial fall in value quicker than anticipated lead to some financial payment by the UK government, which had backed the Northern Ireland-produced aircraft.

Also Cityjet have probably had enough of geared turbofans for the time being...

Well Cityjet have worked through two complete generations of the aircraft. Although aware of the apocryphal reputation of the engine, personally, I've never had any significant delay on any of many Cityjet flights I've taken, almost since they started operation in the 1990s, which is a sight more than I can say over time for the large Canadian-built propeller aircraft which now competes with them out of LCY to some points. If I see an aircraft that's been towed over to the weed patch at the west end of the LCY ramp awaiting engineers and parts, guess which predominates nowadays ...

[CabinCrewe]

...but perhaps a reflection of the operating airline rather than said Canadian aircraft...

[s2art1e]

Is the Sukhoi approved for LCY ops yet? If not, how long would this take?

[chuboy]

Said to be done by the end of 2016, requires a software change and certification with EASA.

[Ethiopia]

CityJet launches new routes to Bastia and Beziers

[j636]

Reported AF to wet lease a few of the new jets arriving to WX.

[Wingman1000]

They likely place the Sukhoi on their normal AF operation as the aircraft is not certified for LCY yet.

[j636]

CityJet and United file for European codeshare

[EISNN]

Do you know what routes?

[j636]

Request is for all routes including to allow UA code be displayed for passengers transferring on SK operated T/A flights, so would appear more so aimed at this operation.

[Cyrano]

The CRJ900 network which Cityjet will operate for SAS this summer has just been published and there are lots of flights to/from the SAS hubs like ARN and OSL, so I would imagine that the UA codeshare filing was done with this in mind.

[Curious Pax]

They must be getting their 8 new CRJ900s delivered and up and running quite soon to be able to meet that schedule.