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The CityJet staff seemed to cope ok with all the cancelled flights today (due to the discovery of a WW2 bomb near the airport). Seem to have some more english speaking staff on duty.
It is good that they have now got some competition on the LCY - Dublin route from BA. Might have to sharpen up their act a bit.
Another niggle that if you book a flight for two people you get FOUR debits on your credit card! X 2 £1 service charges and x2 airfares.. (bloody silly, sought yourself out CityJet)
It is good that they have now got some competition on the LCY - Dublin route from BA. Might have to sharpen up their act a bit.
Another niggle that if you book a flight for two people you get FOUR debits on your credit card! X 2 £1 service charges and x2 airfares.. (bloody silly, sought yourself out CityJet)
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iwak.....seeing that you obviously work for Ireland West Airport Knock, have a look at all your previous postings, why don't you lift the phone and ask CityJet yourself. Then come back here and tell the rest of us......
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10/07/2008 - Passenger Information Bulletin - Re: Dublin PSO Route
Regrettably CityJet has informed Ireland West Airport Knock that it has decided that, due to increased fuel and aircraft costs and logistical issues, it will not be in a position to take up the PSO route from Ireland West Knock to Dublin. This route was awarded to the airline following the Department of Transport’s tendering process earlier this year.
Mr. Geoffrey O’Byrne White, Chief Executive CityJet said that: "As a result, and despite our sustained best efforts and the consistent and valued support of Ireland West Airport management, CityJet, having reviewed the project and the airline could not justify commencing the route as the market could not sustain the costs of allocating one of its AVRO RJ jets for the service, or wet leasing (subcontracting) a smaller aircraft from another airline.
“We bid to provide services from a number of Irish regional airports including Ireland West Knock and Donegal. This bid was based on the fact that CityJet had recently acquired the Belgian airline VLM, subject to regulatory approval by the UK Office of Fair Trading (OFT). Access to the VLM aircraft would give us a much wider turboprop fleet for development of these types of routes,” he explained.
“We were awarded the contract for Ireland West Knock only, which limits the market at a time when costs are increasing, and critically, we are still awaiting regulatory approval for our takeover of VLM from the Office of Fair Trade (OFT). We are confident of a positive outcome, but the process is taking longer than we expected. This means that we cannot yet finalise the integration plans with VLM, and we cannot commit a VLM aircraft outside our core network at this point. As a result, and despite our sustained best efforts, CityJet, having reviewed the position, regrets that we are unable to proceed with the Ireland West Knock-Dublin service and accordingly must withdraw," he said.
Ireland West Airport Knock expresses our regret at this decision and is maintaining a close watching brief on the matter including seeking guidance from the Irish Department of Transport as to the next steps in this process. We will endeavour to provide our Dublin passengers with as much up-to-date information as possible with respect to when flight booking services might be available with the airline which may be now awarded the contract and we advise passengers to keep an eye on our website Ireland West Airport Knock for this information. Aer Arann will be operating flight services on this route up until July 21st next.
Regrettably CityJet has informed Ireland West Airport Knock that it has decided that, due to increased fuel and aircraft costs and logistical issues, it will not be in a position to take up the PSO route from Ireland West Knock to Dublin. This route was awarded to the airline following the Department of Transport’s tendering process earlier this year.
Mr. Geoffrey O’Byrne White, Chief Executive CityJet said that: "As a result, and despite our sustained best efforts and the consistent and valued support of Ireland West Airport management, CityJet, having reviewed the project and the airline could not justify commencing the route as the market could not sustain the costs of allocating one of its AVRO RJ jets for the service, or wet leasing (subcontracting) a smaller aircraft from another airline.
“We bid to provide services from a number of Irish regional airports including Ireland West Knock and Donegal. This bid was based on the fact that CityJet had recently acquired the Belgian airline VLM, subject to regulatory approval by the UK Office of Fair Trading (OFT). Access to the VLM aircraft would give us a much wider turboprop fleet for development of these types of routes,” he explained.
“We were awarded the contract for Ireland West Knock only, which limits the market at a time when costs are increasing, and critically, we are still awaiting regulatory approval for our takeover of VLM from the Office of Fair Trade (OFT). We are confident of a positive outcome, but the process is taking longer than we expected. This means that we cannot yet finalise the integration plans with VLM, and we cannot commit a VLM aircraft outside our core network at this point. As a result, and despite our sustained best efforts, CityJet, having reviewed the position, regrets that we are unable to proceed with the Ireland West Knock-Dublin service and accordingly must withdraw," he said.
Ireland West Airport Knock expresses our regret at this decision and is maintaining a close watching brief on the matter including seeking guidance from the Irish Department of Transport as to the next steps in this process. We will endeavour to provide our Dublin passengers with as much up-to-date information as possible with respect to when flight booking services might be available with the airline which may be now awarded the contract and we advise passengers to keep an eye on our website Ireland West Airport Knock for this information. Aer Arann will be operating flight services on this route up until July 21st next.
I wonder will Aer Arann pick it up instead?
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I'll bet Aer Arann will continue the service from Knock. Same thing happened with Loganair last time when they were unable to take up a PSO service in Ireland. Think it was Knock as well. Aer Arann stepped in and saved the day
This means that we cannot yet finalise the integration plans with VLM, and we cannot commit a VLM aircraft outside our core network at this point.
My guess is that the commercial terms for the PSO flights are now inappropriate for current fuel prices, but they don't want to admit it.
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Anybody know where you would get the financial reports for Cityjet? I've asked at stock places for an annual report, phoned cityjet, but they were reluctant to give me one. Any news would be very valuable, thx
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Anybody know where you would get the financial reports for Cityjet? I've asked at stock places for an annual report, phoned cityjet, but they were reluctant to give me one. Any news would be very valuable, thx
they will file accounts with The Companies Registration Office (CRO - Home) and you can request a copy for a small fee.
Use the company search link on the home page.
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Use the company search link on the home page.
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Why did they not just use a Scotairways D0328 until the VLM merger was completed.
Maybe their terms dont make financial sense for knock.
Maybe there are penalties that apply when you withdraw from a PSO that dont apply if you never take up the route.
Maybe WHBM is right - the route itself doesnt make financial sense.
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Away from new routes and back to an old one... what was the reason for CityJet pulling off the BHD-LCY route, and what schedule did they operate for the route. Was it just once daily? 
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Why did they not just use a Scotairways D0328 until the VLM merger was completed.
I also recall the route some years ago when FlyBe (in fact it might have been British European then) operated it; loads were just the same then. Four pax on one occasion.
Just because LCY is a business airport and Belfast is a city doesn't mean that there is much of the right sort of business traffic on offer. Operators have learned this (if they did not already know) on London City to Glasgow and to Edinburgh, two routes which display widely different characteristics in their passenger demand, notwithstanding that their loadings to Heathrow are quite similar. Edinburgh has a high amount of financial etc industry traffic which wants to go to the City of London, whereas Glasgow does not. The same applies to Belfast.
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Ahaa, I'd assumed it to be a once daily looking at the passenger numbers for the route... which would confirm your figures over 3 daily! Did it run throughout 2007 do you know?
Many thanks for the reply, and a very good point at the end!
Many thanks for the reply, and a very good point at the end!
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Was a thrice daily Do328 service operating under the "City Ireland" callsign with Air France flight numbers with a ScotAirways aircraft occasionally in CityJet colours. Hope thats clear ( ish ).