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We will look back in 20 years time and shake our heads on how we let the politicians shirk from their duty
. These delays have now gone on so long that we actually will need new runways at Heathrow and Gatwick. Although any forward thinking government would just build a new 4 runway airport in the South east.
. These delays have now gone on so long that we actually will need new runways at Heathrow and Gatwick. Although any forward thinking government would just build a new 4 runway airport in the South east.
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You missed THE ISLE OF GRAIN where Lord Fosters proposed airport would have been situated!
Other than the transport and motorway infrastructure needed for this major project personally I think it is the best location if there was ever to be a brand new airport for London although obviously it won't see the light of day.
A lot of people get confused with the BorisAirport and the Isle of Grain project as there both the same not the artificial island as some including the media imply which would have been situated north of Margate and was discounted along time ago.
I'm now in mixed minds as to where the new runway should be situated but ideally both LGW and LHR should both be given permission to build a new runway each but I just can't get my head around all the mess that will created around the M25 and M4 if R3 is the only option, haven't we had enough of all this motorway chaos regarding Smart Motorways to end up with even more around LHR as I am a very frequent user of LHR and the M25.
LGW for me if I was asked and given just a second to think about it!
Other than the transport and motorway infrastructure needed for this major project personally I think it is the best location if there was ever to be a brand new airport for London although obviously it won't see the light of day.
A lot of people get confused with the BorisAirport and the Isle of Grain project as there both the same not the artificial island as some including the media imply which would have been situated north of Margate and was discounted along time ago.
I'm now in mixed minds as to where the new runway should be situated but ideally both LGW and LHR should both be given permission to build a new runway each but I just can't get my head around all the mess that will created around the M25 and M4 if R3 is the only option, haven't we had enough of all this motorway chaos regarding Smart Motorways to end up with even more around LHR as I am a very frequent user of LHR and the M25.
LGW for me if I was asked and given just a second to think about it!
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"I just can't get my head around all the mess that will created around the M25 and M4 if R3 is the only option, haven't we had enough of all this motorway chaos regarding Smart Motorways to end up with even more around LHR as I am a very frequent user of LHR and the M25."
Please do not forget the alternative routes for the M4 = A4, of course that is being diverted, and the M25 alternative is the A3044 Staines to Uxbridge is also being diverted.
"I just can't get my head around all the mess that will created around the M25 and M4 if R3 is the only option, haven't we had enough of all this motorway chaos regarding Smart Motorways to end up with even more around LHR as I am a very frequent user of LHR and the M25."
Please do not forget the alternative routes for the M4 = A4, of course that is being diverted, and the M25 alternative is the A3044 Staines to Uxbridge is also being diverted.
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No study required the future prosperity of the UK is more important. Where - not Boris island as too far east and it would create major problems for the airspace design. It needs to be west or North west of London with high speed rail link and once built close Heathrow but keep Gatwick and use the Heathrow site for new houses and businesses
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It's going to be difficult enough to add on an extra runway at LHR just think how much extra turmoil it will take to produce a whole new airport of that size to the "west or North west of London"
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Of course, if the 3rd had been built at the right time, then the M25 would have happened AFTER it. Just like if they'd built T4 at Perry Oaks - then the access roads to the M25 would not have had to be so tortuous and confusing. Of course, that would have been if politicians had done the right thing 30 years ago. Or even 20 years ago.
Of course what this means is - as predicted - the 3rd will never be built.
Of course what this means is - as predicted - the 3rd will never be built.
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Yotty , yes turmoil but not as bad as a 3rd runway for Heathrow if built on a greenfield site. That's the price of progress (well not even progress it's now catch up) in order for the UK to be competitive in the global economy.
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The papers are interested because it's a story that has been there for years but once it's a yes it will simply rumble on as and when there is a hiccup.
Yes It will make the headlines on Tuesday but: it wither away again as it always does.
The only headline will be about "long grass" and "cans being kicked" AGAIN. Yawn.
The papers are interested because it's a story that has been there for years but once it's a yes it will simply rumble on as and when there is a hiccup.
Yes It will make the headlines on Tuesday but: it wither away again as it always does.
The only headline will be about "long grass" and "cans being kicked" AGAIN. Yawn.
Told you!
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Absolutely no reason to delay this any further, so why the delay!
Of course there's a reason.... politics!
Certain bye-election this week isn't there?
Originally Posted by Navpi
Absolutely no reason to delay this any further, so why the delay!
Of course there's a reason.... politics!
Certain bye-election this week isn't there?
In Brentford and Isleworth Labour had a narrow victory over the Conservatives; in Twickenham the Conservatives defeated Libdem Vince Cable.
Vince's "mansion tax" policy may have been a cause of his defeat. A cursory check on house prices would have informed him of the large number of houses selling for over £1,000,000. So much for the region being "blighted" by Heathrow!
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No study required the future prosperity of the UK is more important. Where - not Boris island as too far east and it would create major problems for the airspace design. It needs to be west or North west of London with high speed rail link and once built close Heathrow but keep Gatwick and use the Heathrow site for new houses and businesses
If you did close LHR you would wouldn't need to build houses or offices as the local workforce would have been decimated and there would be lots of commercial property available. You would however need to build them around the new airport location for all those who need to relocate.
The area for the third runway is actually mostly wasteground apart from the small area of housing of which BAA own quite a lot.
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Eagle Radio - News - Heathrow boss: PM 'showing leadership' on airport expansion
Showing leadership. ......oh my giddy Aunt.
She has turned onto a heading re severe turbulence!
Never mind extolling the positives this will simply allow the naysayers to reinforce opposition re ;
Monumental costs
Political fall out
Scottish MPs dictating England infastructure policy for their own ends.
...IMO the delay is exactly what T MAY wants.
Don't forget she inherited this and never wanted expansion.
With everything else on her plate Heathrow is 99 of 100 problems and this pushes it back AGAIN !
Showing leadership. ......oh my giddy Aunt.
She has turned onto a heading re severe turbulence!
Never mind extolling the positives this will simply allow the naysayers to reinforce opposition re ;
Monumental costs
Political fall out
Scottish MPs dictating England infastructure policy for their own ends.
...IMO the delay is exactly what T MAY wants.
Don't forget she inherited this and never wanted expansion.
With everything else on her plate Heathrow is 99 of 100 problems and this pushes it back AGAIN !
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British Airways to launch Dreamliner service to New Orleans, 4 x weekly from 27th March.
BA225 LHR1540 – 1940MSY 788 x247
BA224 MSY2120 – 1200+1LHR 788 x247
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BA225 LHR1540 – 1940MSY 788 x247
BA224 MSY2120 – 1200+1LHR 788 x247
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[QUOTE=goldeneye;9547126]British Airways to launch Dreamliner service to New Orleans, 4 x weekly from 27th March.
A new route at LHR without the need of the third runway. Wow, thought that was not possible according to the spin that HAL put out to the media. It may be replacing Chengdu but just goes to show that beyond Beijing and shanghai, routes to China are difficult to make profitable.
A new route at LHR without the need of the third runway. Wow, thought that was not possible according to the spin that HAL put out to the media. It may be replacing Chengdu but just goes to show that beyond Beijing and shanghai, routes to China are difficult to make profitable.
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Recently HAL have offered 25,000 ATM per annum subject to planning permission as a Brexit boost, so their is capacity. It will require TBS,TEAM etc.
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I sometimes wonder if the airport CEO is a liability!
Absolutely woeful performance this morning re Heathrow finances.
£225m for shareholders , fair enough, I guess keeps them on board but with public finances being squeezed this won't go down well with certain MPs who can actually add up.
Especially when it's now been dislosed thst tax take is only 4%. £2 billion profit but only £54m to treasury.
Offering a fraction of the cost for infastructure whilst keeping shareholders sweet won't go down well with Labour MPs that have just been won over.
The dithering when pressed was an embarrassment.
It needs strong management to take Heathrow over the top.
Absolutely woeful performance this morning re Heathrow finances.
£225m for shareholders , fair enough, I guess keeps them on board but with public finances being squeezed this won't go down well with certain MPs who can actually add up.
Especially when it's now been dislosed thst tax take is only 4%. £2 billion profit but only £54m to treasury.
Offering a fraction of the cost for infastructure whilst keeping shareholders sweet won't go down well with Labour MPs that have just been won over.
The dithering when pressed was an embarrassment.
It needs strong management to take Heathrow over the top.
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And could we use slots for new and emerging business routes please BA ?
Lots of chat from New Orleans tourist agencies about 000s holiday makers from UK flocking to new route.
BA decision prompted by CONDOR!
ER.....Could this have gone to Gatwick ?
Not exactly a business route is it.
Lots of chat from New Orleans tourist agencies about 000s holiday makers from UK flocking to new route.
BA decision prompted by CONDOR!
ER.....Could this have gone to Gatwick ?
Not exactly a business route is it.