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They are not concerned about any disruption for passengers, staff, supplier's or local residents. It is of course a hub airport where passengers just transit from one flight to another not leaving the airport.
Is HAL not regulated in such a way that their maximum permitted profit is proportional to their investment? That being why BAA built a "gold-plated" T5, but what looks and feels like a prefab at EDI.
What would the new runway cost if HAL's profits were damaged by spending unnecessary capital, like any other company?
What would the new runway cost if HAL's profits were damaged by spending unnecessary capital, like any other company?
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Actually the airports commision came the conclusion that it was the hub business model that made Heathrow the winner as Gatwick could not come close to delivering the economic benefits. That was the fundamental heart of the decision, to suggest the debate was a simple matter of additional runway capacity is wilfully wrong.
The Manchester Crowd really do love to be selective in when hub and spoke is a good thing offering connections i.e MAN and flybe feeding TCX, the ME3, VS building a hub. This is a good hub because it's their local hub. A bad hub is one in another part of the country which may impact the rate of growth at MAN.
The Manchester Crowd really do love to be selective in when hub and spoke is a good thing offering connections i.e MAN and flybe feeding TCX, the ME3, VS building a hub. This is a good hub because it's their local hub. A bad hub is one in another part of the country which may impact the rate of growth at MAN.
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I would say that Manchester is a spoke rather than a hub! While it chases the likes of Ryanair, easyJet, Jet2 et al it will never became alternative to Heathrow.
The airport is already almost full to capacity at peak times so how would they expect to "accommodate" any overflow from Heathrow?
However, the truth is that any "overflow" would be directed to Dublin or Madrid by IAG and to Frankfurt, Amsterdam and Paris by the other alliances.
The airport is already almost full to capacity at peak times so how would they expect to "accommodate" any overflow from Heathrow?
However, the truth is that any "overflow" would be directed to Dublin or Madrid by IAG and to Frankfurt, Amsterdam and Paris by the other alliances.
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Actually the airports commision came the conclusion that it was the hub business model that made Heathrow the winner as Gatwick could not come close to delivering the economic benefits. That was the fundamental heart of the decision, to suggest the debate was a simple matter of additional runway capacity is wilfully wrong.
i must have missed that memo...
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Actually the airports commision came the conclusion that it was the hub business model that made Heathrow the winner as Gatwick could not come close to delivering the economic benefits.
The Manchester Crowd really do love to be selective
MAN and flybe feeding TCX, the ME3, VS building a hub. This is a good hub because it's their local hub.
A bad hub is one in another part of the country which may impact the rate of growth at MAN.
I would say that Manchester is a spoke rather than a hub! While it chases the likes of Ryanair, easyJet, Jet2 et al it will never became alternative to Heathrow.
The airport is already almost full to capacity at peak times so how would they expect to "accommodate" any overflow from Heathrow?
Finally, Skip / All ... May I suggest that it may be appreciated by readers of this SE airports capacity discussion if you stop pitching questions about Manchester Airport on this Heathrow thread. They don't belong here, and it is you, not those you refer to as the "Manchester Crowd" who is constantly manoeuvring to conflate the topics.
BTW, you'll be pleased to note that since our exchanges a couple of days back I've been inundated with pop-up ads for Subway. There's some darned clever technology monitoring the net! :-)
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Shed, I agree completely with you over Manchester's place in the UK Aviation scene. My comments were aimed at some of the other contributors within the M60 who do see Manchester as the answer.
At the end of the day, Heathrow is the only show in town with regards to increasing runway capacity in the South East. Regardless of cost, the environment, infrastructure, nimby's etx, the decision will be based on politics rather than other concerns.
To expand Heathrow is to send a message to the world that Britain is open for business after Brexit. It ties in with the political mantra of the day. Large infrastructure projects in the UK will send a powerful message.
At the end of the day, Heathrow is the only show in town with regards to increasing runway capacity in the South East. Regardless of cost, the environment, infrastructure, nimby's etx, the decision will be based on politics rather than other concerns.
To expand Heathrow is to send a message to the world that Britain is open for business after Brexit. It ties in with the political mantra of the day. Large infrastructure projects in the UK will send a powerful message.
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To expand Heathrow is to send a message to the world that Britain is open for business after Brexit. It ties in with the political mantra of the day. Large infrastructure projects in the UK will send a powerful message.
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To expand Heathrow is to send a message to the world that Britain is open for business after Brexit.
Large infrastructure projects in the UK will send a powerful message.
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Ahhhh! So it was really all about competing busines models rather than runway capacity?!!
i must have missed that memo...
i must have missed that memo...
The question was around runway capacity and where to build it.
The answer was LHR and the reason a much greater ROI building on existing hub capacity without splitting between LHR/LGW. That was why LHR was recommended, the LGW ROI was way lower. The two business models are not the same, the LHR one got the nod as the commission did not see how LGW could ever become a competitive or complimentary hub (!)
But Heathrow cannot come close to matching Gatwick's cost of project-delivery. Both sides of the ledger must be carefully considered.
There is no logical reason for MAN to be central to this discussion.
Finally, Skip / All ... May I suggest that it may be appreciated by readers of this SE airports capacity discussion if you stop pitching questions about Manchester Airport on this Heathrow thread. They don't belong here, and it is you, not those you refer to as the "Manchester Crowd" who is constantly manoeuvring to conflate the topics.
To do so at the cost proposed is to send a message to the world that we've lost our marbles and our politicians can't cope with primary-school arithmetic.
Oh and enjoy the sandwich, just avoid the £2000 one....
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Er.... yeah you did.
The question was around runway capacity and where to build it.
The answer was LHR and the reason a much greater ROI building on existing hub capacity without splitting between LHR/LGW. That was why LHR was recommended, the LGW ROI was way lower. The two business models are not the same, the LHR one got the nod as the commission did not see how LGW could ever become a competitive or complimentary hub (!)
The question was around runway capacity and where to build it.
The answer was LHR and the reason a much greater ROI building on existing hub capacity without splitting between LHR/LGW. That was why LHR was recommended, the LGW ROI was way lower. The two business models are not the same, the LHR one got the nod as the commission did not see how LGW could ever become a competitive or complimentary hub (!)
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Continue to artificially constrain LHR to allow MAN and the regions to prosper.
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It's the central core of your argument Shed, you're the only one who can't see it, honestly. Continue to artificially constrain LHR to allow MAN and the regions to prosper.
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Shed, I understand your concern on costs but the decision will be political. If everything any government is cost driven then we wouldn't have NHS managers earning £240,000 per year in a non-job.
The decision will be political. Which British government has ever been financially competent to deliver a cost effective.
Exhibit 1, m'lord Hinckley Point
The decision will be political. Which British government has ever been financially competent to deliver a cost effective.
Exhibit 1, m'lord Hinckley Point
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dave59, I don't see that Heathrow artificially constrains the reasons anymore than Amsterdam, Frankfurt or Paris do.
Where and how has Heathrow stifled growth in the regions?
Where and how has Heathrow stifled growth in the regions?