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Old 14th Jul 2016, 15:09
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has Grayling ever said anything about runways, airport infrastructure, any hints at his position?
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He was a leading member of the brevity campaign
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Old 14th Jul 2016, 15:32
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He was a leading member of the brevity campaign
Yes, he's the soul of wit, succinct and to the point ...
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In the shadow cabinet he expressed concerns about the environmental impact but more recently he's hinted at pro- Heathrow.
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He's MP for Epsom and Ewell, so has a constituency interest in Heathrow.
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Well Loony Boris and Machievellian may both have lots of LHR workers in their constituencies. Plus lots and lots of corp execs and IT people who live in those areas and work there and are not going to want to go to Gatwick to fly to AMS so in my opinion representing a constituency near LHR makes them much more likely to be pro LHR.

Of course this forum often made the point that LHR expansion taking decades made UK laughing stock of the world , well it s got quite bit of competion at the moment with brexit, Boris and England 1-iceland 2, the latter being a perfect metaphor for our place in the world at the moment . Very bloody sad.

Can the third runway argument be delayed again ?
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Old 14th Jul 2016, 16:35
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From 2009:

"newly appointed shadow Home Secretary, Chris Grayling [is] said to have privately voiced concerns over the party's opposition to expansion over Heathrow"

Tories at odds over plans for third runway at Heathrow | UK Politics | News | The Independent
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The absence of Justine Greening is interesting though.
She caused too much trouble in the past as transport secretary (2011-2012) and was moved sideways.

Maidenhead isn't THAT close to LHR in comparison to Putney.
Maidenhead is not that much further away from Heathrow than Putney. The difference is that Putney is on the flightpath for arrivals on 27L/27R. Maidenhead is not on the flightpath for arrivals on 09L/09R, it's too far north and would also not be in the event of a 3rd rwy. For departures on 27L/27R, Maidenhead is sometimes overflown when aircraft turn north.

May knows she needs strategic decision making in the national interest rather than what works as a local MP. She's also got Boris by the Johnson IMHO.
Indeed she does, and she won't get any stick from her constituents for doing so.

Gatwick makes no commercial sense realistically and do nothing is not a realistic option. However predictions are a losers game in this weather.
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What about Justine Greening for Transport ? Hasn't that remit still to be announeed ?
She caused too much trouble in the past as transport secretary (2011-2012) and was moved sideways.


The idea that anyone living within a short distance of LHR is against expansion is just wrong. Many of the people that rely on Heathrow for income live in Maidenhead and the surrounding areas.
A recent survey in areas surrounding Heathrow (listed by constituencies) showed a majority of varying sizes in all except Twickenham.

Richmond Park wasn't included, maybe too far from the airport, but the opinion there is well known thanks to Zac Goldsmith.


Can the third runway argument be delayed again ?
Probably.


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"newly appointed shadow Home Secretary, Chris Grayling [is] said to have privately voiced concerns over the party's opposition to expansion over Heathrow"

Tories at odds over plans for third runway at Heathrow | UK Politics | News | The Independent
Wasn't this when New Labour eventually gave permission for a 3rd rwy after years of dithering, indecision and procrastination?
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Old 14th Jul 2016, 21:27
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For departures on 27L/27R, Maidenhead is sometimes overflown when aircraft turn north.
But very rarely. Northbound WOBUN departures (Scottish routes and some transatlantics) turn right before reaching the NDB at Burnham. Compton departures (Ireland and other transatlantics) pass well to the south of the town.
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Well, it depends on which bit of Maidenhead. I used to live in eastern Maidenhead, and WOBs went right over my house, BPKs just to the east.
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Old 15th Jul 2016, 08:58
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Well, it depends on which bit of Maidenhead. I used to live in eastern Maidenhead, and WOBs went right over my house, BPKs just to the east.
OK, but they would have been off the NPR by that point, so presumably above 4000'.

The western edge of the WOBUN NPR swathe runs through Taplow and up towards Bourne End, so nowadays anything outbound over Maidenhead under 4000' would be one of the 2% or so departures on that SID that are classed as off-track.
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Maidenhead - is a large area to the border of Windsor, so it is under 09L for arrivals, and if you draw a straight line from say 09N westwards, it will be under the easterly ops arrivals and departures, assuming NATS & CAA can work out a plan to indicate flight paths, other than LHR plan which I have to rely on.
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Old 15th Jul 2016, 19:05
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assuming NATS & CAA can work out a plan to indicate flight paths, other than LHR plan which I have to rely on.
Departures are easy, they follow SIDs/NPRs below 4000 feet (mostly), but you will search in vain for a map showing precise arrival routes, the reason being that they don't exist. The flightpath between the arrival point (Bovingdon, Lambourne, Biggin or Ockham), with or without holding there, and the final approach to the runway is determined by the controller handling each flight, the object being to integrate arrivals from various directions efficiently and thereby maximize the landing rate.

All that can reasonably be predicted is that the flightpath will follow an S- or U-shaped curve, depending on which arrival point and which runway direction is in use.
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What I was trying to explain is that Maidenhead will receive more aircraft from a new northern runway (northern as in the south east), on arrivals, and on departures SID to Dover will probably go from 27L and others to disperse either west or north, 09N is closer to Berkshire = Maidenhead. If ever departures go eastwards then a whole new bunch of residents will get new noise in NW London = less votes
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talking to Tory folk in Maidenhead yesterday - they were all against R3 and they believe their MP is as well.............................
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....and then they went on to discuss their forthcoming holiday in Tuscany and looking forward to the winter ski break and the family Christmas in Barbados!

When it comes to airport expansion 90% of people are hypocrites.
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as they are on HS2, shale gas, new houses, wind farms, new roads, taxes and pensions...................
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I have seen the future

https://thedesignair.net/2016/07/19/...to-the-future/
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Old 19th Jul 2016, 17:55
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Surely by the time any new runway is up and running, and overflying anywhere, any current politicians will be long gone from the scene.


As for the inhabitants of Maidenhead voting in Corbyn's party instead, that is just NOT going to happen ...
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according to todays "Times" any decision has been put back until "October at the earliest..."
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