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First time in T2
First trip through T2 this week...a couple of observations.
1. The main building is calm...noise seems subdued, and it's good!
2. The building is also a sensible temperature...comfortable, rather than the usual sauna!
3. Walking to the Heathrow Express takes an eternity! So much so, that one the return journey, I chose to walk to T1 and across the footpath to T2. Seems as if the T2 access to the train is via the T3 connection rather than the T1 end?
Also, are the southern gates designed to eventually meet up with the 4 new A380 gates in T3? Looks as if they would line up nicely...
1. The main building is calm...noise seems subdued, and it's good!
2. The building is also a sensible temperature...comfortable, rather than the usual sauna!
3. Walking to the Heathrow Express takes an eternity! So much so, that one the return journey, I chose to walk to T1 and across the footpath to T2. Seems as if the T2 access to the train is via the T3 connection rather than the T1 end?
Also, are the southern gates designed to eventually meet up with the 4 new A380 gates in T3? Looks as if they would line up nicely...
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Where can I find the rules that govern the Cabs working at LHR? The main website has this: Heathrow: Airport Taxi | Book a Taxi to or From Heathrow but that doesn't tell you the rules under which they operate!
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Interview: Daniel Moylan – “Boris will never surrender his vision of building a great new airport east of London” | Conservative Home
BoJo's mini me clone is banging the drum for his master again.....
BoJo's mini me clone is banging the drum for his master again.....
Don't want to sound disrespectful, but two words come to mind: "organ grinder" and "monkey".
As for the estuary airport option, that particular ship sailed ages ago, 1974 to be precise.
Support for LHR expansion is not "quasi Marxist". The point is that LHR is full now, not in 25 years time. Even if the estuary airport was to be built, something has to be done in the interim, i.e. expanding LHR.
So it's common sense to expand LHR and not waste time and money on the estuary airport
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Taxi!
Paxboy
The London taxi is regulated by either TFL or the Public Carriage Office (formerly a Met Police branch). All taxi's are licensed and all fares will be on the meter from the point of departure, (not starting at the taxi rank outside as a little fiddle in the past). All points of arrival within the GLA or TFL area are on the meter. No taxi driver should show you a price list. If outside the above areas then it is by agreement, and it is unlikely the taxi will take you.
The driver should not refuse taking you to anywhere within the GLA area.
By example a few years ago before Staines was expelled from GLA/MPD the driver said no, I said yes it is still in London = bad luck. They always want the big fare to Central London.
Hope this helps and is not out of date or critical of taxi's. The TFL website is best.
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/modes/taxis-and-minicabs/
T09L
The London taxi is regulated by either TFL or the Public Carriage Office (formerly a Met Police branch). All taxi's are licensed and all fares will be on the meter from the point of departure, (not starting at the taxi rank outside as a little fiddle in the past). All points of arrival within the GLA or TFL area are on the meter. No taxi driver should show you a price list. If outside the above areas then it is by agreement, and it is unlikely the taxi will take you.
The driver should not refuse taking you to anywhere within the GLA area.
By example a few years ago before Staines was expelled from GLA/MPD the driver said no, I said yes it is still in London = bad luck. They always want the big fare to Central London.
Hope this helps and is not out of date or critical of taxi's. The TFL website is best.
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/modes/taxis-and-minicabs/
T09L
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If Heathrow is full then whop the prices up - straight capitalist economics.....
You'd soon get a bit of spare capacity, and more importantly, everyone would be making the vast investment in the place more economically efficient
You'd soon get a bit of spare capacity, and more importantly, everyone would be making the vast investment in the place more economically efficient
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MANY thanks Trinity 09L. The journey was unexpected and well outside the GLA, so we knew it was bad. Also, as I was recovering from a serious illness, and it was very cold we had no time (or mental energy) to fight.
So I'm gathering information to decide if what happened was legal. Thus far, it appears to be price fixing between BAA plc and those drivers that chose the nice long jobs. I'll let you know in due course.
So I'm gathering information to decide if what happened was legal. Thus far, it appears to be price fixing between BAA plc and those drivers that chose the nice long jobs. I'll let you know in due course.
I do not think BAA have any influence over taxi fares, it is TFL, and as you say outside the TFL area it is open season for the drivers. Always better to pre book your car from a local company to your area to collect you.
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I know 100% to pre-book and we did but out situation was:
In that, you told them the town, and paid what the book said. No choice. Since BAA tell us that they work with three cab firms, someone has agreed the prices to be paid.
NOW, I have no objections to getting in a cab and paying the metered rate. I don't mind negotiating a 'meter off' rate. But I stronlgy object to BAA and three cab companies giving me a stitched up price.
- Journey postponed 24 hrs by ilness (mine)
- Tuesday 07:30 and 17hrs since leaving my sister's house
- cold
- me exhausted and still experiencing an illness that drained me (although Doctor approved me to travel).
- an hour to wait for them
- or get in a cab?
In that, you told them the town, and paid what the book said. No choice. Since BAA tell us that they work with three cab firms, someone has agreed the prices to be paid.
NOW, I have no objections to getting in a cab and paying the metered rate. I don't mind negotiating a 'meter off' rate. But I stronlgy object to BAA and three cab companies giving me a stitched up price.
"Blueprint for noise reduction"
Interesting package of 10 proposed short- to medium-term noise mitigation measures announced in the last couple of days, presumably a reaction to the adverse PR generated by the recent flightpath trials:
1 Encouraging remaining operators of Chapter 3 aircraft at LHR to phase them out
2 Encouraging operators of A320 family aircraft to embody the FOPP airflow deflector mod
3 Targetting airlines with poor CDA performance
4 Reducing inconsistent deployment of landing gear on approach
5 Trialling 3.25° approaches
6 Changes to nighttime runway alternation
7 Accelerated school double-glazing programme
8 More igloos for Hounslow primary schools
9 Increased fines for operators breaching departure noise limits
10 Improving late-night departure punctuality
http://www.heathrowairport.com/stati..._blueprint.pdf
1 Encouraging remaining operators of Chapter 3 aircraft at LHR to phase them out
2 Encouraging operators of A320 family aircraft to embody the FOPP airflow deflector mod
3 Targetting airlines with poor CDA performance
4 Reducing inconsistent deployment of landing gear on approach
5 Trialling 3.25° approaches
6 Changes to nighttime runway alternation
7 Accelerated school double-glazing programme
8 More igloos for Hounslow primary schools
9 Increased fines for operators breaching departure noise limits
10 Improving late-night departure punctuality
http://www.heathrowairport.com/stati..._blueprint.pdf
Desperate indeed
To use 1974 noise figures as a base which will include Tridents, 1-11, 727, 707, DC-8 Tristars, maybe even a VC-10, will always show an improvement.
Also surprised the westerly approach over London is shorter than area covered in the west for easterlies. The footprint also misses the approaches for the cross runway (which was still in use)?
Also surprised the westerly approach over London is shorter than area covered in the west for easterlies. The footprint also misses the approaches for the cross runway (which was still in use)?
Also surprised the westerly approach over London is shorter than area covered in the west for easterlies.
The footprint also misses the approaches for the cross runway (which was still in use)?
Good intro to noise contours here:
Measuring the impact of continuous noise | Noise | About the CAA
As I pointed out to the well paid consultants **of BAA, who were unable to justify their noise abatement figures.
"Lies, damned lies, and statistics" is a phrase describing the persuasive power of numbers, particularly the use of statistics to bolster weak arguments. It is also sometimes colloquially used to doubt statistics used to prove an opponent's point."
BTW, I moved to the vicinity of LHR in 1973, and no axe to grind.
** = who did not know what a Trident was, or were born in 1973
Just found this comment elsewhere
"I know it's the last weekend in November but Gatwick this quiet hardly does the arguments for expansion any favours"
"Lies, damned lies, and statistics" is a phrase describing the persuasive power of numbers, particularly the use of statistics to bolster weak arguments. It is also sometimes colloquially used to doubt statistics used to prove an opponent's point."
BTW, I moved to the vicinity of LHR in 1973, and no axe to grind.
** = who did not know what a Trident was, or were born in 1973
Just found this comment elsewhere
"I know it's the last weekend in November but Gatwick this quiet hardly does the arguments for expansion any favours"
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As I understand it there is a continuing issue with the union representing the immigration officers, whose numbers would be reduced if these systems were widely built and installed. At least the e-gates do not seem to suffer from the Iris issue of having chewing gum inserted in the reader at quiet moments, putting them out of action......
The A320 has been in service for a quarter of a century. However has it taken this long to come up with what is apparently quite a straightforward aerodynamic mod for that howl they generate when passing overhead on approach. Reducing by 11 dBA is a significant reduction.
All points of arrival within the GLA or TFL area are on the meter.
WHBM
I had hoped I explained it sufficiently re boundaries, and likewise I would imagine visitors have no "knowledge" like London cabbies.
Surprisingly, T5 was within the old boundaries, (ie Perry Oaks farm)but the cabbies managed to persuade Transport for London (TFL) that they would have to drive on the M25 to get back to London
I to use a local company to and from LHR, and persuade my visitors to do the same.
I had hoped I explained it sufficiently re boundaries, and likewise I would imagine visitors have no "knowledge" like London cabbies.
Surprisingly, T5 was within the old boundaries, (ie Perry Oaks farm)but the cabbies managed to persuade Transport for London (TFL) that they would have to drive on the M25 to get back to London
I to use a local company to and from LHR, and persuade my visitors to do the same.
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Going west from LHR you really are stuck with one of the buses to somewhere were you can get a local taxi if you haven't pre-booked
When/if they open the line to Slough & Reading it will improve but Heathrow Express are bidding to run that "with our unrivalled expertise" - at running the most expensive railway trip in the world.......
When/if they open the line to Slough & Reading it will improve but Heathrow Express are bidding to run that "with our unrivalled expertise" - at running the most expensive railway trip in the world.......
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When/if they open the line to Slough & Reading it will improve but Heathrow Express are bidding to run that "with our unrivalled expertise" - at running the most expensive railway trip in the world......
