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Old 4th Sep 2012, 23:47
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Actually he's Jemina Khan's brother, she who stood bail for Assange. Dad got the brains, the children got, well daddy's money. Zac is not that bright, lets not pretend he got to be an MP on merit alone. He's not in any way, a Conservative.

Also the son of a man who tried to destroy Private Eye. Tangent, but worth remembering. The words "chinless" and "wonder" still apply to the sons of the wealthy and uber powerful alas.

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The title of the article says it all ...

100 suitcases drenched in raw sewage after pipe bursts at Heathrow Terminal 5 - Home News - UK - The Independent

A spokesman for the airport operator, BAA Heathrow, said: 'We appreciate this will be upsetting for passengers. The bags have now been cleaned and are being reunited with their owners.'
Upsetting for passengers?? No $hit Sherlock ...

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Who is formally liable on this ? The airline to whom bags were entrusted or the airport ?
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I would guess BAAplc as it's their item of infrastructure that broke - irrespective of which client carrier was using the terminal.
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Passengers' contracts are with the airline, that's who they pay their money to. If their suppliers/subcontractors get things wrong then the passenger deals with the airline* and it's up to them to sort things out operationally and financially with their service providers. The same is true about any other aspect of the service, lost bags, etc, it's irrelevant to the passenger "who did it", their remedy route is through their airline.

* : Except Ryanair, who tell every complainant to f-off and so it's not worth the effort.
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Quote: "The Sunday Times seemed to suggest that a third runway wouldn't be operational until 2024 (!) and that Boris Island would only take 2 years longer than that to finish (2026)."

At least the third runway won't be lying empty, it will be well used and prove to be value for money.




Yes, good point about "toys" and "pram", Skipness, will just add "throw" and "out of" for good measure.

Would be worth doing the U-turn on Heathrow just to see the back of Goldsmith, but bet Greening would not follow suit! It does appear like tedious gesture politics.

In scant regard for his constituents, he threatens resignation and a by-election, so he's not that different from Louise Mensch, who had the balls to do it without threats beforehand (although for different reasons). What is it with Cameron's "A-listers"?

Justine had to go because of her biased partisan attitude, because of it, she should never have been appointed to the transport job in the first place.

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At least the third runway won't be lying empty, it will be well used and prove to be value for money.
Not just well used, built without risk to tax payer too. FBI is risky AND will need government money from the start - whether just for surface access, for the whole lot, or as a bail out pot.

Would be worth doing the U-turn on Heathrow just to see the back of Goldsmith
(Let's stick to the man, not his family!) Presumably he can't just do a Shaun Woodward and cross the floor to the greens, as people wouldn't accept that trick again. Might clear the way though for a more imaginative Tory leader this time though!

should never have been appointed to the transport job in the first place.
Yup, think a few of us said at the time it was a shockingly bad appointment, because the Heathrow issue was still unresolved at the time, just as it is now. Jeremy Clarkson would have made a more balanced transport secretary - at least he worships Brunel and even rides a bike now!

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Intelligence...

'Oh dear Zac, I thought you were quite an intelligent man. Clearly not when it comes to airports!'
Now really jabird, isn't that asking a little too much!
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Now really jabird, isn't that asking a little too much!
Yup! Anyone got a prize for a politician of any colour who actually has credibility on the subject?

David Davis "we really need to think about building a brand new airport - and that means building it outside London".

Eggwina "East and West airports"

Another Tory MP yesterday - "it isn't a third runway, it is just half a runway"
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Old 6th Sep 2012, 07:03
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Yup! Anyone got a prize for a politician of any colour who actually has credibility on the subject?
I don't know what you mean.

Every MP and ex-MP has been on an aeroplane, which makes him/her an expert on aviation strategy.
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Old 6th Sep 2012, 10:04
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Every MP and ex-MP has been on an aeroplane, which makes him/her an expert on aviation strategy.
And of course, every MP has had at least one TGV train ride from CDG to Disney Paris, making them experts on trains too!

What we need on any big project is more scrutiny - not just aye v nay, but proper examination of the details - especially when public money is being spent. I

know that's what the TSC and other groups are supposed to do, but when ever I watch the Parliament channel (will need to have a guard on the TV on Monday), I'm always thinking just how many questions there are that just aren't being asked.

For example, on the subject of integrating rail and air, who ever allowed the Heathrow express to be built without a left turn, something that will have taken two decades to fix when they finally get it right.
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For example, on the subject of integrating rail and air, who ever allowed the Heathrow express to be built without a left turn, something that will have taken two decades to fix when they finally get it right.
The HEX, being funded by the airport operator, was designed on the maximum-bang-per-buck principle.

When, if ever, do private finance and joined-up thinking ever go together ?
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Quote: "(Let's stick to the man, not his family!)"

Eh? never mentioned the family, jabird!

Quote: "Presumably he can't just do a Shaun Woodward and cross the floor to the greens, as people wouldn't accept that trick again. Might clear the way though for a more imaginative Tory leader this time though!"

Hmmm, crossing the floor is a thought! Actually a by-election in Richmond would be interesting, it is a Consevative-Libdem marginal, Labour don't stand a chance.

Possibly, Goldsmith might be tempted to fight it as a Green (after a deathbed conversion?) or as an anti-LHR independent.

Boris may be tempted to seek nomination as the Conservative candidate in order to already be in the Commons when the time comes for Call-me-Dave to "fall on his sword".

the results would also give an idea how unpopular the Libdems really are.

Quote: "Yup, think a few of us said at the time it was a shockingly bad appointment, because the Heathrow issue was still unresolved at the time, just as it is now. Jeremy Clarkson would have made a more balanced transport secretary - at least he worships Brunel and even rides a bike now!"

Clarkson at transport?...there's an idea, was thinking that Inspector ("Blakey") Blake of "On The Buses" would be better than Greening.

Thinking about it a little more, Arthur Daley at Business and Derek Trotter at Trade and Industry would get the economy going!

And while we're on a roll: Rupert Rigsby at Housing and Father Ted as minister of faith, the job Warsi is said to have turned down.
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Let's stick to the man, not his family!
Normally I would agree but Goldsmith is there on who he knows and who is Daddy is, let's not pretend the billionaire's son got there on merit. Bit like Euan Blair wanting to be an MP.

Let Boris stand, he was found wanting last time. Lazy and unable to master a simple brief in his shadow cabinet role. If he stands, he will be found out, he is very unlikely to be leader, regardless of what the papers say. He would be like Gordon Brown on one level, a one man calamity.

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Old 7th Sep 2012, 13:24
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Written aviation statement issued by DfT today :-

Aviation - News - Department for Transport

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Old 7th Sep 2012, 20:09
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Interestingly, no indication of who else will be on the commission and how much it will cost taxpayers.
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FDF - I suspect the dollar cost of the committee will be pretty small, the external cost of 3 years of dithering is a different matter.

The Commission will:

examine the scale and timing of any requirement for additional capacity to maintain the UK’s position as Europe’s most important aviation hub
Or:

will - kick the ball around for three years before reaching the same conclusion of the public consultation done on airport capacity in 2003.

Reading between the lines, it does look like a done deal in favour of the runway though.

Eh? never mentioned the family, jabird!
Father and sister not family? You can't choose your parents and siblings!

Consevative-Libdem marginal, Labour don't stand a chance
Lib Dems don't stand a chance anywhere.
Tories not looking too hot either.

Think it could be anyone's race.

Green (after a deathbed conversion?) or as an anti-LHR independent
He was previously editor of "The Ecologist" magazine. What is the difference between Green and anti-(insert industry of your choice)?
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EK-QF-Agreement

From April 2013 QF will operate its LHR services from SYD and MEL via DXB instead of SIN and therefore "The Kangaroo Route" will be re-named to "The Falcon Route".

In addition, Qantas will launch daily A380 services from both Sydney and Melbourne to London via Dubai for a combined unprecedented seven daily A380 flights to London Heathrow.
Dubai to Become New International Hub for Qantas European Operations | Emirates United Arab Emirates
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Old 8th Sep 2012, 14:49
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Yes indeed, Seljuk22. There is an established thread in this forum: http://www.pprune.org/airlines-airpo...il-2013-a.html
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Quote: "Father and sister not family? You can't choose your parents and siblings!"
Maybe, but not mentioned by me. Referred only to Zac Goldsmith and his anti-LHR stance/potential by-election "threat".


Quote: "Lib Dems don't stand a chance anywhere.
Tories not looking too hot either.

Think it could be anyone's race
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Not anyone's, not Labour's or UKIP's for example. Barring any wild-cards (such as an anti-LHR single issue independent), a by-election in Richmond would produce a Conservative or Libdem MP. With the Libdems so unpopular, it would be interesting to see the percentage of their support that swaps over to the Greens.



Quote: "Reading between the lines, it does look like a done deal in favour of the runway though."

Always has been, there is no alternative. Should have got on with it in 2003. The rwy would be up and running by now.

Quote: "He was previously editor of "The Ecologist" magazine. What is the difference between Green and anti-(insert industry of your choice)?

Very little, the first is an official political party (of sorts) as registered with the Electoral Commission, the second is a one man/woman band.
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