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Old 12th Jul 2016, 20:54
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Don't see how you can say the plan to add domestic routes is a "disingenuous myth".

(Myth (n.) a traditional story accepted as history)

I've not seen any guarantees from the airport beyond a regional connectivity fund to support 5 domestic routes - even then they didn't nominate which routes.

Airlines not airports decide what routes they choose to operate - not even insistent (sometimes indignant) PPRUNERS can make airlines do it!

I've seen comments from EasyJet that they plan to open up domestic routes. Clearly BA don't give a damn about UK domestic routes so thank goodness someone does with AMS serving 27 UK destinations & CDG serving 16!

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Old 12th Jul 2016, 21:40
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Deary me....

"Naivety reaches dangerous levels shock..."

At best EasyJet might operate GLA EDI MAN.....

There is not a cat in hells chance they would consider Teeside, Doncaster, Exeter, Newquay et al. !
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Old 13th Jul 2016, 11:16
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What about the inevitable forthcoming claims by the elites that Heathrow will need a 4th runway if a 3rd is ever improved.
Indeed I know one such "captain of industry". He thinks Heathrow should have 4 runways plus extra terminals to suit. The locals can either move, go fk themselves or frankly be stuck up against a wall........he really does not care about them at all.

Needless to say he does not live near the place.

I did suggest a better alternative might be a new hub along the route of HS2 North West of London (Bucks/Northhants area) with the same sort of transport time H.Kong airport is from the city......knowing full well that this was rather closer to his home, Strange to report he did not like that suggestion at all........
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Old 13th Jul 2016, 17:42
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There is not a cat in hells chance they would consider Teeside, Doncaster, Exeter, Newquay et al. !
Clearly not, like BA, U2 do not have small enough aircraft.


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What about the inevitable forthcoming claims by the elites that Heathrow will need a 4th runway if a 3rd is ever improved.
Indeed I know one such "captain of industry". He thinks Heathrow should have 4 runways plus extra terminals to suit. The locals can either move, go fk themselves or frankly be stuck up against a wall........he really does not care about them at all.

Needless to say he does not live near the place.
As a local flightpath resident, would say that this is a good idea and neccesary.

Four rwys: two for take offs two for landings would allow segregated mode, alternation, and the present level of respite for residents to continue, so no question of residents having to "go fk themselves or frankly be stuck up against a wall".

Also bear in mind how quiet and clean aircraft will be by the time 2 rwys were built and that most of us will be dead.


I did suggest a better alternative might be a new hub along the route of HS2 North West of London (Bucks/Northhants area) with the same sort of transport time H.Kong airport is from the city......knowing full well that this was rather closer to his home, Strange to report he did not like that suggestion at all........
Been here before, in 1971, it was called "Cublington".

HKG is about as far from Hong Kong as LHR is from London. The train takes 25 minutes with two stops en route. Need to be realistic, no train will do the journey to/from your proposed Bucks/Northhants (Milton Keynes?) airport in 25 minutes, and forget about HS2, that's headed for the chop.

What you don't explain is:
(1) why it is justified to waste public money (the private sector won't touch it) on a brand new airport some 60-70 mi. north west of London when the infrastructure already exists just 20 mi. west and can be expanded;
(2) how does one cope with airport capacity increases in the 50 or more intervening years before this white elephant airport could open;
(3) how does one overcome the simple fact that Heathrow cannot be closed because the government doesn't own it and its owners would be unlikely to take such a kamikaze course of action, so there is no way that carriers would leave Heathrow.

Sounds like a reheated equivelant of Boris Island.

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Old 13th Jul 2016, 21:10
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Frank, none of your replies should be attributable to my original post.
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Old 13th Jul 2016, 22:43
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In my humble opinion the government should grasp the nettle and say now that they are planning for a 3rd and 4th runway at Heathrow ; this should provide sufficient capacity for the next 50 years and will resolve the issue once and for all
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Old 13th Jul 2016, 23:04
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It's not just about capacity though. That would be simple. It is about delivering that capacity at a price-tag which makes economic sense for UK plc. That seems light-years away in the case of LHR. And that's for a third runway, let alone a fourth.
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Old 13th Jul 2016, 23:12
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Interesting suggestion on BBC South this evening that the combination of the Maidenhead MP as PM, plus Boris in a senior Cabinet position could mean Heathrow expansion was no longer an option ...
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Old 14th Jul 2016, 01:59
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The absence of Justine Greening is interesting though.
Maidenhead isn't THAT close to LHR in comparison to Putney. May knows she needs strategic decision making in the national interest rather than what works as a local MP. She's also got Boris by the Johnson IMHO.

Gatwick makes no commercial sense realistically and do nothing is not a realistic option. However predictions are a losers game in this weather.

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Old 14th Jul 2016, 06:48
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What about Justine Greening for Transport ? Hasn't that remit still to be announeed ?

That really would by a cabinet Royal Flush against LHR !

I notice the "YourHeathrow" barrage on social media has also dried up..... I hope they didn't sign those building contracts!
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Old 14th Jul 2016, 09:26
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John Holland-Kaye was on the TV last night spouting on about getting a decision about the third runway at Heathrow. Looking a little worried about his large bonus he and his directors are due if the decision goes there way - what an old cynic I am.
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Old 14th Jul 2016, 11:56
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Originally Posted by Bagso View Post
What about Justine Greening for Transport ? Hasn't that remit still to be announeed ?
BBC are reporting that Greening is expected at No 10 this morning, so she's going to get something, but I can't see it being Transport for a second time.

There's speculation that Sajid Javid will be moved sideways, so that's a possibility ...

Edit: Greening's just got Education.
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Old 14th Jul 2016, 14:53
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Chris Grayling is the new Transport Secretary.
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Old 14th Jul 2016, 16:09
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has Grayling ever said anything about runways, airport infrastructure, any hints at his position?
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Old 14th Jul 2016, 16:17
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He was a leading member of the brevity campaign
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Old 14th Jul 2016, 16:32
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He was a leading member of the brevity campaign
Yes, he's the soul of wit, succinct and to the point ...
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Old 14th Jul 2016, 17:16
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In the shadow cabinet he expressed concerns about the environmental impact but more recently he's hinted at pro- Heathrow.
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Old 14th Jul 2016, 17:24
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He's MP for Epsom and Ewell, so has a constituency interest in Heathrow.
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Old 14th Jul 2016, 17:33
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Well Loony Boris and Machievellian may both have lots of LHR workers in their constituencies. Plus lots and lots of corp execs and IT people who live in those areas and work there and are not going to want to go to Gatwick to fly to AMS so in my opinion representing a constituency near LHR makes them much more likely to be pro LHR.

Of course this forum often made the point that LHR expansion taking decades made UK laughing stock of the world , well it s got quite bit of competion at the moment with brexit, Boris and England 1-iceland 2, the latter being a perfect metaphor for our place in the world at the moment . Very bloody sad.

Can the third runway argument be delayed again ?
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Old 14th Jul 2016, 17:35
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From 2009:

"newly appointed shadow Home Secretary, Chris Grayling [is] said to have privately voiced concerns over the party's opposition to expansion over Heathrow"

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