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Old 4th Feb 2016, 16:31
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W rail Access delayed

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that fine bunch at Network Rail have delayed submission of Planning permission for the Langley T5 railway until 2017........ putting it off for 2 years - no doubt due to their current dreadful performance on electrification of the GWR

as you can imagine everyone west of LHR is less than happy...................
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W rail Access delayed
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that fine bunch at Network Rail have delayed submission of Planning permission for the Langley T5 railway until 2017........ putting it off for 2 years - no doubt due to their current dreadful performance on electrification of the GWR

as you can imagine everyone west of LHR is less than happy...................
Indeed, actually NR needs to get it's collective finger out, crossrail is supposed to start in 2018 (allegedly), and the two schemes are linked, or should be if they're not.
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Old 10th Feb 2016, 06:45
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Think NR have enough on their plate trying to get the wires up on the GWR at the moment ;-) That is Priority 1 after their recent public shaming.
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The main reason for this delay is money. Network Rail like Heathrow work on fixed investment periods. The money / budget / cash-flow for these seems to be relatively fixed. The GWML project has gone over it's budget and is using money from other planned projects in that period. It means no money for the T5 link so the T5 project gets moved back into the next investment period.

Don't expect logic such as it would cost more to do separately to figure widely in that decision.
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Interesting that Finnair flew an A340 into Heathrow on Monday are these regular now or just subbing for an A350 ?

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"NR needs to get it's collective finger out, crossrail is supposed to start in 2018 (allegedly), and the two schemes are linked, or should be if they're not."

that's not how they work they'll finish the electrification (with all the attendant delays) for CrossRail to Reading (noticed the GWR wires are starting to go up between Didcot & Reading at last)

then when it's opened they'll start digging up Langley for 2-3 years to get the delays back into the system
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Old 10th Feb 2016, 19:54
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Finnair are using the A340 for the most part on the wide body runs.
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Emirates

New sixth daily LHR from 27MAR:

EK031 DXB LHR 1130 1610
EK032 LHR DXB 1950 0550+1

B77W from 27MAR
A388 from 01JUN
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Old 11th Feb 2016, 18:47
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It's so staggering how there are 6x daily flights with Emirates alone to Dubai!

Garuda Indonesia are also moving their route to Jakarta from Gatwick to Heathrow. Inbound flight will go via Singapore the outbound will be non-stop.

I was looking over at airliners.net and someone had produced some data that said MCO-LHR was the 9th largest unserved market from the US. I know the LON-MCO route mostly originates LGW due to the leisure market, but there is also potential business and transfer traffic with MCO and I think BA could operate this in the near future. Even VS could potentially give it a go as well. I think this route could be of good use to both of the airlines 787 fleet.

New routes for Heathrow so far in 2016:

Billund, Denmark (British Airways)
Inverness, United Kingdom (British Airways)
San Jose (CA), United States of America (British Airways)
Tehran, Iran (British Airways)
Biarritz, France (British Airways)
Chania, Greece (British Airways)
Kalamata, Greece (British Airways)
Menorca, Spain (British Airways)
Palermo, Italy (British Airways)
Salt Lake City, United States of America (Delta)
Jakarta, Indonesia (Garuda Indonesia)

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Old 11th Feb 2016, 19:04
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The Lhr definition of full must be different from that of the rest of the world.

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Old 11th Feb 2016, 20:20
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To be fair LHR is fast becoming a spoke Eastbound dominated by the MEBs.
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Old 11th Feb 2016, 21:42
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Originally Posted by True Blue
The Lhr definition of full must be different from that of the rest of the world.
Heathrow's definition of full is that it can't accommodate any more flights within the 480,000 pa ATM limit.

Routes come and go, as new ones get added, others are quietly dropped. A year ago you could fly direct from LHR to Almaty, Entebbe, Madeira and Rotterdam, for example - today you can't.
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
Heathrow's definition of full is that it can't accommodate any more flights within the 480,000 pa ATM limit.

Routes come and go, as new ones get added, others are quietly dropped. A year ago you could fly direct from LHR to Almaty, Entebbe, Madeira and Rotterdam, for example - today you can't.
I have noticed this also, BA quietly drop routes, another one being Alicante, and big up new routes. But I don't understand how BA are adding so many routes this year after quoting that LHR was operating at capacity last year. There as also been a big increase in summer seasonal flights over last year and this year also with some, namely Corfu, adding more frequencies.
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Old 11th Feb 2016, 22:14
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Originally Posted by AvGeek1
But I don't understand how BA are adding so many routes this year after quoting that LHR was operating at capacity last year. There as also been a big increase in summer seasonal flights over last year and this year also with some, namely Corfu, adding more frequencies.
We'll just have to wait and see what routes/frequencies get dropped to accommodate those additional services. One thing's for sure - BA aren't exempt from the ATM limit - so something will have to give.
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Old 11th Feb 2016, 23:04
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Blimey! With Gatters going all A388, Emirates continue to rewrite conventional wisdom. Wonder if this might finally nudge Virgin out of DXB and redeploy an A330 onto the ATLANTIC.
MCO btw is volume driven with very small premium cabins on VS and no F on BA, it's a traditional LGW route that is very unlikely to move to LHR unless they build that third runway.

Slots at LHR churn between users with some gravitating towards heavy metal. This drives passenger volumes for roughly the same level of ATMs.
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But I don't understand how BA are adding so many routes this year after quoting that LHR was operating at capacity last year.
BA picked up a bunch of LHR slots this summer from the failure of Little Red, no doubt those are being used for some of the new routes.

It will be interesting to see how long BA/EI continue to offer 20 flights a day between LHR and DUB now they they are both part of IAG. Some flights are only 5 minutes apart !! Some consolidation onto larger aircraft would seem to be a logical way for BA to free up LHR slots in future for other uses. Or were there conditions imposed on IAG during the EI take over process which prevent them from consolidating flights ??

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Old 12th Feb 2016, 01:55
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Good post regarding new routes ex LHR for S16 but one minor error,

Billund is in Denmark rather than Norway.
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Old 13th Feb 2016, 19:25
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Originally Posted by canberra97
Avgeek1

Good post regarding new routes ex LHR for S16 but one minor error,

Billund is in Denmark rather than Norway.
Well spotted. I apologise for my mistake! That made me look so stupid, but I do actually know where it is but just wasn't thinking, my bad.
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It would be just as exciting a destination if it were in Norway..............
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Old 15th Feb 2016, 09:38
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Another new route for Heathrow in S16. Iberia Express starting flights to Asturias, Spain three times a week (Tu, Th & Su) starting 24th April 2016.

Schedule as followed:

OVD1820 – 1915LHR 32S
LHR2030 – 2325OVD 32S
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