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Old 9th Feb 2017, 08:52
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Originally Posted by gavinhicks
Dissapointing that Berlin will probably move to Kerry but Manchester also isn't bookable for winter, could that be pulled too?
Is the Shannon service moving to Kerry or is that just speculation ? Be huge blow for the region - that would mean Paris and the two German services now gone.....Ryanair only uploading provisional winter schedule at minute fully expect Manchester to be there when schedule complete
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Is the Shannon service moving to Kerry or is that just speculation ? Be huge blow for the region - that would mean Paris and the two German services now gone.....Ryanair only uploading provisional winter schedule at minute fully expect Manchester to be there when schedule complete
SXF-SNN is still very much bookable.
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Old 9th Feb 2017, 18:42
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Is the Shannon service moving to Kerry or is that just speculation ? Be huge blow for the region - that would mean Paris and the two German services now gone.....Ryanair only uploading provisional winter schedule at minute fully expect Manchester to be there when schedule complete
Most inbound likely travel to Kerry anyway, it's the schedule that will determine which one is a success and which one fails. I cannot see FR keeping both long term if history is anything to go by.
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Old 9th Feb 2017, 18:45
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Originally Posted by EI-EIDW
Most inbound likely travel to Kerry anyway, it's the schedule that will determine which one is a success and which one fails. I cannot see FR keeping both long term if history is anything to go by.
I would say just as many go to Clare and Galway.
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Old 10th Feb 2017, 04:44
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Kerry Starts in November. I Hope Berlin from Shannon Stars, we'Lloyd weit and See.
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Old 10th Feb 2017, 09:33
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As I've said current plans are that MAN is cut also SXF is staying for winter at least.
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Old 10th Feb 2017, 13:33
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There is some talk of KIR getting a MAN flight but it is not foreseen this winter.
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Old 10th Feb 2017, 13:37
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Can't see that happening at all. Nobodys ever justified a market for that route, wishful thinking because Berlin is starting and MAN isn't loaded from Shannon?
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Old 10th Feb 2017, 18:59
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Can't see that happening at all. Nobodys ever justified a market for that route, wishful thinking because Berlin is starting and MAN isn't loaded from Shannon?
No, it was high on the list of Kerry's desired routes discussed the Routes conf that took place in Killarney two years ago. The airport sees it as a high potential route.
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Old 10th Feb 2017, 19:51
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Originally Posted by 1sky
No, it was high on the list of Kerry's desired routes discussed the Routes conf that took place in Killarney two years ago. The airport sees it as a high potential route.
Gosh if Manchester is cut that just leaves London and Birmingham and Edinburgh served from the UK which is pretty poor when you consider the access previously in place - that said I would expect stobart to step in and take up the service at a minimum daily .......from what I hear the plan is to cut Berlin and that it's on borrowed time - doesent make sense to have a service to Kerry and Shannon particularly when route was marginal at best with no competition interesting to see what happens
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Old 10th Feb 2017, 20:22
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Gosh if Manchester is cut that just leaves London and Birmingham and Edinburgh served from the UK which is pretty poor when you consider the access previously in place - that said I would expect stobart to step in and take up the service at a minimum daily .......from what I hear the plan is to cut Berlin and that it's on borrowed time - doesent make sense to have a service to Kerry and Shannon particularly when route was marginal at best with no competition interesting to see what happens
If they were not able to make Berlin-Shannon work, I am not sure how sustainable Kerry will in the long run.
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Old 10th Feb 2017, 21:07
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There is no word about MAN for KIR then either. I'm sure plenty of airports have routes they desire.

In regards to SXF, there's no plans to cut it as of yet. That's the current situation. If I'm to be a realist, I'd have deep concern for the route.

And in regards to MAN from SNN, that won't be left empty very long when Ryanair do drop it.
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Old 11th Feb 2017, 10:31
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It's hard to keep up with FRs antics at SNN. When they expand they kill off competition and then retract, the likes of flyBe and Stobart come back and then FR want "their" routes back.
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If they were not able to make Berlin-Shannon work, I am not sure how sustainable Kerry will in the long run.
Kerry has 10 yrs +++ of having HAhn. Kerry is a German favourite.... Outlived German services to SNN and NOC over the years. Kerry is a better fit for the Grrman market.....
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Old 11th Feb 2017, 18:17
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Let me quote Shakespeare, "One swallow does not a summer make".

Hahn is the only route that Kerry outlived NOC and SNN in, however bizzare. Hahn is much different to Berlin.
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Old 11th Feb 2017, 20:36
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Kerry has 10 yrs +++ of having HAhn. Kerry is a German favourite.... Outlived German services to SNN and NOC over the years. Kerry is a better fit for the Grrman market.....
KIR-HHN is at the lowest frequency it has been for a decade, summer and winter (2 weekly winter, 4 weekly summer). If you speak to HHN based crew, KIR in winter is is not where you see anything close to 90% loads.

HHN has a pretty wide catchment area. Not only Germany (the wider Frankfurt area, and most of NRW to the north), but also Belgium, Luxembourg and parts of France. You will even see plenty Swiss cars in the HHN car parking lots.

Back in the early 1990s before HHN was open to passenger traffic, you had a Saturday/Sunday Aer Lingus operated FRA-KIR (via DUB in at least one direction).

Berlin has a very different area catchment area and no history of links to the west of Ireland. It might generate a little bit of outbound holiday traffic from Kerry but I cannot see that accounting for much.
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Old 11th Feb 2017, 20:58
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My understanding was that SNN-SXF was 50/50 inbound outbound, I can't see that being replicated in KIR.
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Old 12th Feb 2017, 11:05
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SNN had a HHN service for quite a number of years before the base happened- Sat only aimed at inbound tourist traffic. It was chopped after it was increased to 3 or 4 a week and didn't work out.
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Old 12th Feb 2017, 11:11
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It's not that it didn't work out, it was cut at the time due to fees. The route was perfectly profitable, and this can even be seen from the outside, you don't increase the frequencies of a non profitable route.

The route went to Kerry and stayed, developed a market, hence its doing quite well. Likely better than it would in Shannon where the market is not developed.
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Old 12th Feb 2017, 11:30
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Originally Posted by AerRyan
It's not that it didn't work out, it was cut at the time due to fees. The route was perfectly profitable, and this can even be seen from the outside, you don't increase the frequencies of a non profitable route.

The route went to Kerry and stayed, developed a market, hence its doing quite well. Likely better than it would in Shannon where the market is not developed.
KIR-HHN operated alongside SNN-HHN, it was not a route move to Kerry.
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