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Most companies would make a profit if their main competitor was asked to absorb their debts. Leaving this aside, it's strange that an airport that had minimal growth in 2013 could turn heavy losses into a profit in 12 months.
I'd like to examine these figures in more detail to see where they generated the extra revenue from. It'll be interesting to read their Annual Report but then again as previous posters said who cares?
I'd like to examine these figures in more detail to see where they generated the extra revenue from. It'll be interesting to read their Annual Report but then again as previous posters said who cares?
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It's easy to make a profit when someone else is ordered to take care of your debts. Leaving that factor to one side, I'm still somewhat puzzled that an airport with minimal growth can go from heavy losses to profit in 12 months.
I'll await their Annual Report with interest but if Leo is happy with their performance, who am I to disagree.
I'll await their Annual Report with interest but if Leo is happy with their performance, who am I to disagree.
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Right, so just speculation on your part so..
Nuff said really.
Nuff said really.
I'm afraid that means the SNN advocates have been demonstrated to be the ones with a credibility gap.
So, no, you haven't said nuff yet. Nuff would be open disclosure by SNN management over the passenger numbers.
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I'd like to see where I gave any kind of denial of anything. I'd also like to see where the SAA or any other party denied anything in relation to these flights except for possibly some random posters on here.
Personally, I stand by my only comment on the Santa flights where I stated it was a good PR move . It generated great PR for the airport in the mid west and beyond and opened a lot of peoples eyes to the new routes this year. As a marketing tool, it was a very very good one.
However, making claims that "they" paid for the flights, when you have no idea who paid for them, what was the cost, whether it was shared by more than one party, what part of whose budget it came from or even what the purpose of the flights were.. is OTT. As is casting doubt on their financial reporting based on your claim of questionable passenger numbers.
But do carry on.
Personally, I stand by my only comment on the Santa flights where I stated it was a good PR move . It generated great PR for the airport in the mid west and beyond and opened a lot of peoples eyes to the new routes this year. As a marketing tool, it was a very very good one.
However, making claims that "they" paid for the flights, when you have no idea who paid for them, what was the cost, whether it was shared by more than one party, what part of whose budget it came from or even what the purpose of the flights were.. is OTT. As is casting doubt on their financial reporting based on your claim of questionable passenger numbers.
But do carry on.
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I'd also like to see where the SAA or any other party denied anything in relation to these flights except for possibly some random posters on here.
However, making claims that "they" paid for the flights, when you have no idea who paid for them, what was the cost, whether it was shared by more than one party, what part of whose budget it came from or even what the purpose of the flights were.. is OTT.
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I was in denial about the Santa flights being included. I made some comments on it a while back.
SNN & Ryanair made 4,500 people very happy with these flights. I don't think they did it just too increase there passenger numbers. They have 9 new routes starting in April so it was great awareness for them. I don't think much people in the Mid West will actually be bothered about the Santa flights being included in SNN's 2013 passenger numbers.
SNN & Ryanair made 4,500 people very happy with these flights. I don't think they did it just too increase there passenger numbers. They have 9 new routes starting in April so it was great awareness for them. I don't think much people in the Mid West will actually be bothered about the Santa flights being included in SNN's 2013 passenger numbers.
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SNN & Ryanair made 4,500 people very happy with these flights. I don't think they did it just too increase there passenger numbers. They have 9 new routes starting in April so it was great awareness for them. I don't think much people in the Mid West will actually be bothered about the Santa flights being included in SNN's 2013 passenger numbers.
Who cares about the domestic statistics, its not a big deal.
Well done to Shannon, I hope that Shannon goes from strength to strength.
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Who cares about the domestic statistics, its not a big deal.
Well done to Shannon, I hope that Shannon goes from strength to strength.
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Remaining Positive...
I think a few of these sporadic claims being made above should be addressed….
"Well Ryan SNN didn't make any money from the Santa Flights despite the profit"
We do not know this. What we do know, however, is that retail and ancillary revenue are important income streams for commercial airports….there is no reason to believe that these "Santa" passengers did not utilise the parking facilities, purchase food, drink, goods in the terminal etc. To claim that "no money was made" is merely a wild, baseless, assumption.
"Instead, I'm afraid, we're just going to see the same distorted account repeated in newspaper articles about Shannon"
IATA defines a passenger as "any person carried on an aircraft and carrying a ticket". As far as the passenger numbers are concerned, there is absolutely nothing distorted. To claim otherwise is simply incorrect, as per IATA's own definition.
"Where did they fly to?"
They flew to Shannon, and have rightly been included in the domestic figures.
"They're just merrily spinning that they've recorded their first increase in passenger numbers for years."
And I should hope so. I would be considerably more concerned if, having recorded an increase in total passengers numbers, the airport's management team were to simply rest on their laurels and say nothing.
"the plain fact that 4.500 people got on free flights that took off from SNN, flew around in a circle and landed again, and were counted as 9,000 passengers."
Again, those 9,000 passengers were just that: passengers. Some might say that this marketing stunt is proof that innovation and creativity are now core values driving business decisions at SNN - and I commend them for this. All new companies should make every effort to generate positive publicity for themselves in the initial stages of development, and SNN has done this quite well.
I feel a little more positivity, and less resentment, is in order here?
"Well Ryan SNN didn't make any money from the Santa Flights despite the profit"
We do not know this. What we do know, however, is that retail and ancillary revenue are important income streams for commercial airports….there is no reason to believe that these "Santa" passengers did not utilise the parking facilities, purchase food, drink, goods in the terminal etc. To claim that "no money was made" is merely a wild, baseless, assumption.
"Instead, I'm afraid, we're just going to see the same distorted account repeated in newspaper articles about Shannon"
IATA defines a passenger as "any person carried on an aircraft and carrying a ticket". As far as the passenger numbers are concerned, there is absolutely nothing distorted. To claim otherwise is simply incorrect, as per IATA's own definition.
"Where did they fly to?"
They flew to Shannon, and have rightly been included in the domestic figures.
"They're just merrily spinning that they've recorded their first increase in passenger numbers for years."
And I should hope so. I would be considerably more concerned if, having recorded an increase in total passengers numbers, the airport's management team were to simply rest on their laurels and say nothing.
"the plain fact that 4.500 people got on free flights that took off from SNN, flew around in a circle and landed again, and were counted as 9,000 passengers."
Again, those 9,000 passengers were just that: passengers. Some might say that this marketing stunt is proof that innovation and creativity are now core values driving business decisions at SNN - and I commend them for this. All new companies should make every effort to generate positive publicity for themselves in the initial stages of development, and SNN has done this quite well.
I feel a little more positivity, and less resentment, is in order here?
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They all required some form of ID.
They all required some form of ID.
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"Anyone wishing to book a free Santa flight seat can call 061 712093/094 or book here. Tickets are being distributed on a first-come-first served basis."
And you do not require a passport for flying domestically.
And you do not require a passport for flying domestically.
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"Anyone wishing to book a free Santa flight seat can call 061 712093/094 or book here. Tickets are being distributed on a first-come-first served basis."
And you do not require passports for flying domestically.
And you do not require passports for flying domestically.
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There were Check In desks open at the Airport. All pax were required to be there 90 mins before they were due to depart. They all got emailed confirmations of there flights and were told to bring them with them.
SNN posted information on F*acebook for the people who got tickets.
SNN posted information on F*acebook for the people who got tickets.
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With respect, EI A330-300, you are now clutching at straws.
The sooner we can accept that these 9,000 passengers were indeed valid passengers, as per the IATA definition, the quicker we can move on.
Whether people feel that these passengers were "fake/pretend/etc" will then be merely a matter of opinion.
As SNN counted them one would assume FR added those 9,000 pax to there traffic figures to.
That is a separate issue, and is not relevant to how SNN counts its passenger numbers.
The sooner we can accept that these 9,000 passengers were indeed valid passengers, as per the IATA definition, the quicker we can move on.
Whether people feel that these passengers were "fake/pretend/etc" will then be merely a matter of opinion.
As SNN counted them one would assume FR added those 9,000 pax to there traffic figures to.
That is a separate issue, and is not relevant to how SNN counts its passenger numbers.
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Did the tickets have flight numbers on them?
On FR24 they showed the flight Numbers as FR1350, FR1390 etc.