SHANNON

[mathers_wales_uk]

I wouldn't say the liability is with the dispatcher. It would be down to the airport authority or the company in charge of the apron control.

What would happen if they said it's not possible to park you into the wind?

[Jack1985]

Thank you both.

No problem!

I wouldn't say the liability is with the dispatcher. It would be down to the airport authority or the company in charge of the apron control.

My own responsibility which includes cross-checking current + forecast weather information, making sure the stand is clear of FOD to thus ensure the safety of de-boarding/boarding of passengers and airport staff during re-fueling, baggage etc ~ Dispatchers hold roughly 50% of responsibility on the ground. If I knew the wind was from the west forecast above 50kts and approved say nose-in parking (which I most certainly would not!) and the Commander accepted - and as we have both available forecast weather, the resulting incident is liable to both. Any gust forecast winds, I would seek approval to position the aircraft (mainly turboprop's and depending on the a/c requirements) into the wind and I've never been told no you can't do that.

[Epsomdog]

I would of thought the engineers would bear some of the responsibility, they have access to the Maint Manual. This gives clear instructions about parking, mooring and fitting of u/c ground locks in adverse weather conditions.

Are there any mooring points on the stands at SNN?

[Jack1985]

I would of thought the engineers would bear some of the responsibility, they have access to the Maint Manual.

Of course, should have noted that - I was simply referring to the intial parking of the aircraft - You're correct regards ground engineers mooring and fitting of u/c ground locks.

[Coupled_To_Me]

When was the aircraft parked?

[EI-A330-300]

It's official the Santa flights were counted, domestic traffic had a big jump in 2013.

Traffic Figures For Shannon Airport

The very end of page.


As for the 42 turning over a lot of factors to consider but at DUB all aircraft were moved to be facing the winds and as posted the same at ORK. It was probably very preventable at SNN but at least nobody was on-board at the time.

[Jack1985]

Another picture of EI-BYO - Photo of ATR ATR-42-300, EI-BYO, Aer Arann (RE / REA)

Picture confirms prop damage, collapse of left main gear, twisting of nose gear and probable damage to the right main gear as well as wing damage - She'll be out of service for a while!

When was the aircraft parked?

The previous night.

It was probably very preventable at SNN but at least nobody was on-board at the time.

Precisely!

[Dontgothere]

Given that EI-BYO is now approaching 25 years old, is it really financially viable to repair it? Seeing as the damage is quite extensive, including landing gear damage, propeller damage and consequent body damage. Possibly small wing damage?

I'm sorry to say I just don't see it flying again

[GCUFD]

Traffic Figures For Shannon Airport

Those figures are exactly what we'd have guessed. It's still a little weird to see it confirmed.

To recap, I set the figures out in post 1652 on page 83 of this thread. There were 24 free Santa flights. 189 seats on each would make it a little over 4,500 passengers. If Shannon counted these 4,500 people as both arriving and departing, it would boost their figures by 9,000.

We now see the statistics, and Shannon's 2013 domestic passengers are shown as increasing from 1,393 to 10,389. That's an increase of 8,996. Almost exactly what we'd guessed.

I still find it hard to credit that they'd pay to fly 4,500 people around in a circle, and count it as 9,000 passengers. I expect they'll get away with it, too. It's a fact that people just won't know what to do with, it's so crackers.

[EI-A330-300]

all airports count arriving and departing, there was no other way domestic could of grown. Simple fact is they did count them.

[ryan2000]

Where did they fly to? Ridiculous counting those passengers. It'd be like Cork counting the person from 96FM that flies over the City every morning monitoring the traffic. I reckon that'd give them 600 extra passengers a year and maybe they'd get another few thousand if they counted all those that go for pleasure flights around the harbour with private pilots.

[mojave]

"I still find it hard to credit that they'd pay to fly 4,500 people around in a circle, and count it as 9,000 passengers. I expect they'll get away with it, too."

Not sure what you mean by "getting away with it". As far as I know the only people who care about Shannon's pax numbers are posters on this forum, and Shannon certainly hasn't "got away with it" with you guys.

[Hangar6]

Numbers

It's like new car sales figures include importers registering cars
That are not actually sold or banks talking about their increase
In loan approvals , just stats for grabbing headlines
Reminds me of flybe paying folks to fly EXT DUB so they could make
The new route target to get the airport refund , it's an odd world

[CONAIR11]

Ryan 2000. Has Cork got free landing fees these days for pleasure flights and the lads on 96fm? Do they not register somewhere on the airports books?

[Dontgothere]

@Hangar6 (sorry to correct you), it was the NWI - DUB that they paid people to fly on.

[ryan2000]

As far as I know these pleasure flights are not counted at least I hope they're not. Dublin has had several of these Santa flights over they years. I wonder do they also count the passengers twice. Looking forward to reading Shannon's 1st Annual Report and how they managed to make a profit.

[Hangar6]

NWI

No problem the route is gone anyway so a costly one !

[CONAIR11]

Well Ryan SNN didn't make any money from the Santa Flights despite the profit but Cork did take cash from 96fm and the pleasure flights. Stats will only get you so far.

[vkid]

"I still find it hard to credit that they'd pay to fly 4,500 people around in a circle,"

Would be nice to see a link to show who paid for those flights GCUFD!

[GCUFD]

Would be nice to see a link to show who paid for those flights GCUFD!

Oh, it would. It would be nice to see an article that just set out the facts of the matter. Instead, I'm afraid, we're just going to see the same distorted account repeated in newspaper articles about Shannon. For instance

Shannon has exceeded expectations to record a profit | Irish Examiner


Shannon has exceeded expectations to record a profit


Friday, February 14, 2014


The airport was formally separated from the Dublin Airport Authority (DAA) to go it alone in January of last year and recorded a marginal increase in passenger numbers to 1.4m in its first year after five years of passenger decline.

In Shannon yesterday, Shannon Group chairwoman Rose Hynes confirmed she presented a “report card” to Mr Varadkar on the airport’s first year performance that showed that the airport recording a small profit. <...>

And this is the problem. If we know the passenger numbers are questionable, it makes you wonder if this "report card" is another bit of spin.


But they're grand, no-one's going to probe their statements.