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Old 17th Jan 2014, 09:04
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ORD-SNN was 5 weekly last summer.

SNN-RNS & BRS were dropped last year. EIR used a 42 instead of a 72 for a lot of last year. SNN LHR was also being operated by an 319 instead of a 320 for the last 3 months of 2013.

There was a reduction in flights as well last year.
To be honest the amount of growth brought from the new routes should outway those losses, particularly as all the growth was in the form of jet's nevermind 42's or 72's and the use by Aer Lingus of an A319 doesn't reflect reduced numbers haha, they simply wanted to fill the A319 with the same amount of passengers and better utilise the A320.

The fact there was reduction wasn't widely reported now was it? we were lampooned with constant press releases of growth, for 6k extra passengers I wouldn't be partying.
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Old 17th Jan 2014, 10:58
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No the reduction in flights wasn't widely reported by SNN.

They did say 2013 would be a difficult year, its mentioned briefly in this article.

http://www.clarepeople.com/2014/01/1...in-five-years/

or 6k extra passengers I wouldn't be partying.
I wouldn't be partying either. Its a very small growth in passenger numbers. The growth should have been greater when you see the new routes that were added and the increased capacity that was added during Summer 2013. FR also increased SNN-AGP from 2-3 weekly for June/July and they increased SNN-PMI from 2-3 weekly from May - Oct last year.

I said the SNN management did extremely well in there first year because of the amount of new routes and increased capacity they secured for this year.

I also didn't agree with the fact the Santa flights had been counted in the passenger numbers for 2013. But I'm happy to be proved wrong when the Dec 2013 stats come out.

Also wondering could there have been a reduction in flights from Omni Air and all of that? (I dont no much about these flights at SNN) I didn't see that much of them myself during the Summer of last year. The CSO seems to count pax from those flights.
 
Old 17th Jan 2014, 15:25
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You can be certain that diverted passengers are counted - if they disembark and walk through the terminal and get on busses to Dublin, Knock or Cork those passengers are terminal passengers.

To be fair that is reasonable.

What is not fair is how Cork originating passengers whom stayed on the EI aircraft as passengers bound for Frankfurt some years ago were counted not as transit passengers but as terminal passengers at Dublin.

Unsolicited info came my way to that effect - now, whether it was by EI or Aer Rianta I do not know so as was said some posts back on this thread who can you believe and waiting for CSO figures is only as good as what is recorded and how it is done.

Whom can be believed - there are lies, damn lies, and statistics!!
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Old 17th Jan 2014, 15:51
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Whom can be believed - there are lies, damn lies, and statistics!!
Speaking as a non-lying statistician, it might be worthwhile taking the sum of diverted passengers over a calendar year as a % of the annual total. If you're concerned about ad-hoc flights on a non regular basis really impacting on your numbers, you've got bigger worries than you know. Guys, it's a non issue
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Old 17th Jan 2014, 19:23
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What is not fair is how Cork originating passengers whom stayed on the EI aircraft as passengers bound for Frankfurt some years ago were counted not as transit passengers but as terminal passengers at Dublin.
I see. Were there eighteen million of them?
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Old 17th Jan 2014, 21:51
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They all count - ask the Santa Claus flights gang.
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Old 18th Jan 2014, 10:55
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Indeed they do, and the question on our minds is whether they count twice if you fly them in a big circle.
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Old 19th Jan 2014, 12:03
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Shannon Airport has completed negotiations and is awaiting a decision on what will be one of the airport’s most exciting new routes, a service to an American city not currently serve direct from Ireland from an airline that is a long-standing customer at the airport. Keep an eye on that departures board.
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Old 19th Jan 2014, 13:14
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Well I would Imagine it's one of the hubs, so you are talking LA, Miami, Houston and Dallas I suppose. You would think it might be Miami in a 757 or 767, but that's an AA hub and they aren't a SNN customer. A UA 767 to LA would be my guess
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Old 19th Jan 2014, 13:24
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United to Houston is the most likely combo that fits the criteria I think, LAX would be on offer from DUB before SNN but IAH is a major hub for UA whereas LAX is point to point mainly. MIA would need a B763 at least as the 757s lack the range.
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Old 19th Jan 2014, 13:37
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Given some of the options you can see why they are taking time for the decision. I wonder if they have approached the daa if it is Heuston. Given they rules out West Coast from DUB until B787's come on there is no way SNN-West Coast is viable.
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Old 19th Jan 2014, 13:54
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Will be interesting to see what route comes out of this.

Im always amazed at the level of transatlantic links Shannon supports given its population size. Even when you take out the 'cultural links', to think it has as much service to Edinburgh, more than Glasgow, Birmingham, Bristol and probably some fairly sizable mainland Europe points too is astounding.]

That's not a slating either, Im genuinely amazed.
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Old 19th Jan 2014, 14:15
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Given some of the options you can see why they are taking time for the decision. I wonder if they have approached the daa if it is Heuston. Given they rules out West Coast from DUB until B787's come on there is no way SNN-West Coast is viable.
Hmm, remind me which coast San Francisco is on...?
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Old 19th Jan 2014, 14:17
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This was before EI confirmed plans to resume SFO. If UA wouldn't do it back then with a 763 from DUB then clearly LA is out form SNN.
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Old 19th Jan 2014, 14:25
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A case of choosing a hub of one of the current US carriers that is not currently served. What about Cinncinati or Pittsburg? Perhaps Orlando ?


Sounds like more good news for Shannon.
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Old 19th Jan 2014, 14:39
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Detroit? A delta hub and a B757 more than capable of reaching SNN. Not sure how long that would last though?
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Old 19th Jan 2014, 14:44
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Orlando already done by EI from DUB, not much of a hub either, most people who go there stay there, think families and golfers
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Old 19th Jan 2014, 14:50
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I agree with Skipiness actually. IAH-SNN would be ideal for anybody travelling between Latin America and Ireland. Would mean more people get to avoid the cesspool that is Heathrow, and with no Schipol flight from SNN to compete with for these passengers. Could see the ORK-AMS flights losing big numbers of pax if this is the route in question
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Old 20th Jan 2014, 09:42
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I strongly suspect that the airline is Delta.

That should mean one of Detroit, Minneapolis or Cincinnati.

Detroit would seem the favourite as it provides the most connection opportunities and can be operated by 757 (taking LAX_LHR's word for this; I haven't verified).

I wouldn't rule out Minneapolis though.
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Old 20th Jan 2014, 10:02
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Uh Oh!

Customers cancel trips as Aer Lingus delays new service - Independent.ie

Aer Lingus is now coming under fire for the delay with the new version of the Boston service. Does anyone in the know have an idea when now we may see the 757 out in the daylight?
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