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Old 16th Oct 2011, 17:17
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I believe the closure of PLH will make hardly any difference to NQY at all. The honest driving time to EXT from NQY all depends on what time of the year and what day but I would say pushing it hard about an hour and on a bad day I have actually given up trying to drive to Exeter from Falmouth. Average I'd guess at an hour and a half.
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Old 16th Oct 2011, 18:50
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I aqree with Groundhog, around an hour and half to typically get from Newquay Airport to Exeter but on a bad day ? Took me over two hours one day this summer to get from Truro to just south of Launceston.

Some reference to NQY airport staff and TUPE here earlier, I seem to recall hearing this summer that the airport employs 164 staff.

Cornwall Council until recently employed around 22000 staff - note I didn't say work for Cornwall Council ! I'd like to see the airport succeed but seems to me for it to remain in public ownership is going to cost the Cornish charge payer megabucks over the next few years.
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Old 16th Oct 2011, 19:13
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164 employed staff???

195,000 2011 pax divided by 365 = 534 pax per day.

534 pax divided by 164 = 3.25 daily pax per employed staff member!

It's taken a while but perhaps the council are finally realising the obvious.
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Old 16th Oct 2011, 22:27
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Phileas Fogg, it depends what type of employed Non Emmett heard about. Does the 164 include the gentleman trying to sell Cornish wine in the departure hall, the lady working for Cornish Tourist Board polling departing passengers and the ground handlers? If that's true, then there are a number of other airports in the UK that is also overstaffed, like MAN that has 19,000 employed at the airport with 18.6 million yearly passengers right now. This gives 2.69 daily pax per employed at the airport. An other example is my local airport (not on the British Isles though). At this airport there is 13,000 employed and they now manage to press through 20.5 million yearly passengers. This gives 4.32 daily pax per employed at the airport. In other words, if the answer to my question is yes, then Newquay is better than the relatively successful MAN.
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Old 24th Oct 2011, 08:08
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Driving sensibly, it will take roughly 90mins to get from NQY to EXT on a typical winters day. Add 30mins for the summer season.

On the horizon there are two interesting developments which may have a bearing on Newquay. Firstly is the sheer amount of building which has been pencilled in for the aforesaid sceptic spot on the backside of Cornwall plus in the Truro area and secondly the CC have eurowads to spend on the railway infrastructure. Whereas, prima facie the latter doesn't seem to have that much bearing on the airport's future, if the most "sexy" option of the various which are being discussed is acted upon (reinstating the link across the 'Moor from St.Austell) then airport will become a lot more attractive to those travelling by public transport.
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Old 1st Nov 2011, 16:53
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Newquay Cornwall Airport - FLYBE'S 2012 HOT SUMMER SCHEDULE TAKES OFF FROM NEWQUAY
Nothing new for NQY by the looks of it, still only 4 weekly MAN, the current LGW and EDI
No mention of the Loganair service to GLA but i suppose thats because its not BE operated
its a shame that theres nothing new for NQY
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Old 1st Nov 2011, 23:03
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I've said it once before, Newquay Airport is in the wrong place and it's too big. It should be sold off for building once an alternative site has been found and developed. An efficient strip still in Cornwall but closer to Plymouth, close to the A30 or A38 and the railway line, makes far more sense.
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And call it Cornwall/Camelot Airport and site it on Davidstow Moor Airfield!

In Cornwall one can have roads or one can have railways, only heliport(s) seem capable of bringing the two together.
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Old 18th Nov 2011, 08:45
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BIH have now confirmed that they are transferring to Newquay their helicopter service to St.Marys and Tresco, at least on an interim basis.

"British International will continue operating from its current location until 30th June 2012, thereafter, we will operate the service from Newquay Airport. We are pleased to announce all fares will remain the same price as published on our website"
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Old 18th Nov 2011, 09:26
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all fares will remain the same price as published on our website
with 27 extra track miles on every flight it'll be interesting to see how long that commitment lasts. Plus they'll be in direct competition with Skybus and with no advantage over them in terms of check-in procedures, requirements for taxi-ing and use of the runway for take-off, and indeed approach minima to cope with the 376ft height difference between Penzance and Newquay.
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Old 18th Nov 2011, 09:45
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I guess there might be a small percentage of occasions when the S61 can operate and the Twotter can't (surface wind?), but if the mists and fogs of North Cornwall descend it will be grounded just the same.

Although I never thought I'd describe a Twotter as fast, I would guess it has a good 30-40 kts on the S61?
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Old 18th Nov 2011, 11:43
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The move to NQY is temporary. BIH are still looking for an alertnative site in West Cornwall, although they claim the best was the now dropped St.Erth site.
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St. Just is easier to get to/from the mainline railway, particularly if Skybus started laying on shuttle buses, it is nearer to ISC and if it's the same or similar price as the nightmare of travelling from/to NQY then I'd suggest BIH have, at present, shot themselves in the foot selling the PZE site before having approval(s) for an alternative site.

I'd further suggest that there is plenty of land adjacent to the mainline railway and, so far, BIH went for the 'lazy', 'cheap', option of resiting adjacent to an existing rail station ... I'd suggest that BIH look at a site that requires building a new rail station adjacent to that site.

OK, the Tresco route has no competition but Tresco (alone) ain't going to finance BIH's Cornwall operation!
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There were initial discussions for BIH to relocate to St Just by the ISS Group refused access. BIH can't afford to build a railway station as the sale of PZE is about releasing capital to buy new machines for their North Sea operation. Any new site will be leased...otherwise why sell the freehold site in PZE in the first place!
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St. Just is owned/operated by Skybus, Skybus say who uses the airfield, and Skybus are hardly likely, in a million years, to let their No.! competitor in there!
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Phileas is right it is crucial BIH find a spot near the railway line or with an easy link to it otherwise I fear that it will be the end of the helicopter service.

They can land in my garden if they like but I fear the neighbours might not be too happy!
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Old 19th Nov 2011, 12:53
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What does everyone think about NQY having a go at getting some interest from BA with regard to heavy/380 maintenance then?
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Old 19th Nov 2011, 18:51
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As per usual, some interesting comments on this thread.

Heavy/380 maintenance at Newquay? Plenty of runway and presumably parking area adjacent to the 404 hangar on the south side - and isn't the airfield becoming an Enterprise Zone ? How beneficial will that be ? Cornwall needs the work and presumably labour rates down here would be rather lower than in many established centres.

I spoke to someone a day or so ago who attended the meeting at St. Erth where the locals roundly rejected the BIH proposals for the heliport in their area - seems there was hell up which is a Cornish way of saying it didn't go too well....... I appreciate the Skybus people don't want the competition at Lands End but aren't most of the top brass Scillonians and wouldn't the failure of the helicopter service have a very serious impact on the economy of the Islands ?

I am going to Tresco shortly on the S-61 route, £179 return. How much might it conceivably cost if BIH need to operate out of NQY for any length of time ? It takes an age to get anything through planning in Cornwall and therefore it seems to me highly unlikely that BIH are going to be able to find an alternative site and getting planning approval and be up and running in any reasonable timescale.

If it currently costs over two pounds per mile on the S-61 route out of Penzance might it not need to increase by around £100 to cover the increased distance to be flown on each trip.
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Why are people so fascinated with aircraft that go up and down to/from the skies?

These aircraft can operate to/from the islands, St. Mary's, Tresco, and others, year round no matter what the tide and would also give the flat bottomed Scillonian 'Vomit Comet' a run for it's money.

Just build a facility very close to Penzance Rail Station:

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Sounds like Coventry City selling their stadium long before getting the new one built not so long ago. Get the new facility in place before selling up, running an air transport business needn't be rocket science, unless you think you are the bearded one.
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