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well that would be very welcome.
NQY-STN-NQY would be good for the area.
however with rumours of 3 birds up for sale, what aircraft could this be flown on ? S2000 ?
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NQY-STN-NQY would be good for the area.
however with rumours of 3 birds up for sale, what aircraft could this be flown on ? S2000 ?
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Surely NQY-LTN-NQY would be a better option?
- shorter sectors
- larger catchment area
- better surface connections (especially London)
- cheaper fees
etc, etc
- shorter sectors
- larger catchment area
- better surface connections (especially London)
- cheaper fees
etc, etc
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. Impending STN- West country route? oooo wonder who that is? wont be to PLH though Join Date: Sep 2006
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Surely the 125 trains aren't that slow that Plymouth - Stansted - train to London Centre might be attractive, especially if there could be only a couple of flights a day compared with - I don't know - twelve trains. Doesn't sound profitable or convenient.
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Flightrider/WOWBOY - what is the point of that indeed?
There is only 3.9 million people in the surrounding counties of Essex, Herts, Cambs and Suffolk that might be interested. 1.5 million Londoners in areas in close proximity to Liverpool St/Stratford/Tottenham Hale that could be tempted. The odd million or two in other areas of North/East London that may prefer STN to LGW. A few folk from Cornwall may even wish to end up in those places, heaven forbid.
Mon/Wed/Fri/Sun you say? Surely people wouldn't want short breaks and weekend breaks in Newquay/Cornwall?
There is only 3.9 million people in the surrounding counties of Essex, Herts, Cambs and Suffolk that might be interested. 1.5 million Londoners in areas in close proximity to Liverpool St/Stratford/Tottenham Hale that could be tempted. The odd million or two in other areas of North/East London that may prefer STN to LGW. A few folk from Cornwall may even wish to end up in those places, heaven forbid.
Mon/Wed/Fri/Sun you say? Surely people wouldn't want short breaks and weekend breaks in Newquay/Cornwall?
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Tommy - You cannot be serious, have you any idea how many homes in Cornwall are holiday homes or how many immigrants to the area still have family 'up country' that want to visit. We have thousands of weekenders in this area.
That said I have to agree that LTN/NQY must be marginal and I would not put my pocket money into it!! As for PLH think sadly it may go the way of the dodo.
That said I have to agree that LTN/NQY must be marginal and I would not put my pocket money into it!! As for PLH think sadly it may go the way of the dodo.
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GROUNDHOG - Of course I'm not being serious! As a regular user of STN-NQY and LCY-NQY while they existed I am fully aware of the market.
I was pointing out to Flightrider and WOWBOY the stupidity of their claims - (NQY-STN) "has nothing even remarkably appealing"
I was pointing out to Flightrider and WOWBOY the stupidity of their claims - (NQY-STN) "has nothing even remarkably appealing"
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Historically, in the days when a Handley Page Herald operated the NQY/LHR/NQY route average loads were between 30 and 40 pax.
The majority of these passengers would have been business travellers attending an office in London or travelling internationally, by means of a LHR connection, on business.
However, in this day and age there is the fax machine, the internet, email, cyber conferencing etc. etc. etc. thus more people are able to work from home than they could have done historically.
More people do travel in this day and age but moreso the loco leisure traveller, i.e. they'll only travel if the price is right.
Unless a Cornwall London route can operate to an airport where connections are available to recognised business destinations then the route would be dependant upon leisure travellers many of whom will not be willing to pay a fare that would support such a route.
I agree with Tommy that there is nothing appealing about STN, if the passengers want to connect then they'll spend circa 2 hours, in each direction, travelling between STN and, probably, LHR thus, many, will view that they're better off travelling from home to LHR direct or driving down the A30 to EXT to get a connection via CDG.
Alas BA 'swiped' NQY/PLH's LHR slots thus any LHR route is knocked on the head, LGW doesn't offer the connections that LHR does thus the route would only be partially successful and would ultimately fail, and as for LTN, STN, SEN etc, well pretty much leisure travellers only.
Any reasoning of holiday homes etc. falls by the wayside, those holiday home owners do not live in the catchment area of one particular airport, one particular London airport, those holiday home owners will be living far and wide from Scotland, Cumbria, Lancashire, Kent, Hampshire, Wales etc. etc. etc.
The majority of these passengers would have been business travellers attending an office in London or travelling internationally, by means of a LHR connection, on business.
However, in this day and age there is the fax machine, the internet, email, cyber conferencing etc. etc. etc. thus more people are able to work from home than they could have done historically.
More people do travel in this day and age but moreso the loco leisure traveller, i.e. they'll only travel if the price is right.
Unless a Cornwall London route can operate to an airport where connections are available to recognised business destinations then the route would be dependant upon leisure travellers many of whom will not be willing to pay a fare that would support such a route.
I agree with Tommy that there is nothing appealing about STN, if the passengers want to connect then they'll spend circa 2 hours, in each direction, travelling between STN and, probably, LHR thus, many, will view that they're better off travelling from home to LHR direct or driving down the A30 to EXT to get a connection via CDG.
Alas BA 'swiped' NQY/PLH's LHR slots thus any LHR route is knocked on the head, LGW doesn't offer the connections that LHR does thus the route would only be partially successful and would ultimately fail, and as for LTN, STN, SEN etc, well pretty much leisure travellers only.
Any reasoning of holiday homes etc. falls by the wayside, those holiday home owners do not live in the catchment area of one particular airport, one particular London airport, those holiday home owners will be living far and wide from Scotland, Cumbria, Lancashire, Kent, Hampshire, Wales etc. etc. etc.
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Would people please stop attributing 'nothing appealing about STN' to me. I think it is a daft claim said by others.
What happened in the 1960s, Heathrow, business travel, connections are all irrelevent.
What is relevent is what happens now, in 2011. That is a market of leisure, VFR, second-home owners, 6-7 million people in easy reach of STN but a long drive from Cornwall and just 200 seats per week to fill. That is what makes STN appealing.
What happened in the 1960s, Heathrow, business travel, connections are all irrelevent.
What is relevent is what happens now, in 2011. That is a market of leisure, VFR, second-home owners, 6-7 million people in easy reach of STN but a long drive from Cornwall and just 200 seats per week to fill. That is what makes STN appealing.
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What is relevent is what happens now, in 2011. That is a market of leisure, VFR, second-home owners, 6-7 million people in easy reach of STN but a long drive from Cornwall and just 200 seats per week to fill. That is what makes STN appealing.
The only similar route out of STN is Aurigny and that's not cheap. Everything else is loco on jets. Having lost money on LCY, given up on LGW after being beaten by flybe, let's be honest and admit that STN isn't the answer, ceratinly not flying a 21st century loco with a classic DHC8.
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"The only similar route out of STN is Aurigny and that's not cheap"
That, my friend, is the key phrase. Its not cheap, but its been running a long time. So people are paying those fares. A niche route to a destination where LGW is the primary London departure point, but may not be the most convenient departure point for many. Sound familiar?
This isn't about the viability of STN as an airport and the airlines that have at some point served it - that has nothing to do with it -this is about the viability of a single route, 4 x per week to NQY.
That, my friend, is the key phrase. Its not cheap, but its been running a long time. So people are paying those fares. A niche route to a destination where LGW is the primary London departure point, but may not be the most convenient departure point for many. Sound familiar?
This isn't about the viability of STN as an airport and the airlines that have at some point served it - that has nothing to do with it -this is about the viability of a single route, 4 x per week to NQY.