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Thanks but I'd prefer a new one before then, even at a fare premium.
50yr old bollox have never been much use to any dog. Time it went to the 'farm'
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Well the old Totters were pretty old and I think 'VK is still a back up aircraft.
They saw a lot more salt too but I'd fly on 'VK tomorrow with no hesitation.
Plenty of old aeroplanes around especially in the GA fleet- I know fly Robin that's almost 50 years old a works hard as a glider tug.
They saw a lot more salt too but I'd fly on 'VK tomorrow with no hesitation.
Plenty of old aeroplanes around especially in the GA fleet- I know fly Robin that's almost 50 years old a works hard as a glider tug.
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The problem is the market is quite small. They seem to manage with the ATRs in Ireland, albeit with a few incidents now and again. I believe these may have been down to inexperienced crews though.
The Saabs are pilots aircraft but the ATR is more economical and passenger friendly. Fuel burn of probably 800kg/hr with 72 passengers.
The smaller Dash 8 models would have been a good replacement for the Saab 340 but they stopped making them too. The Q400 wouldn't really be suitable for Loganair's shorter routes.
The Saab 2000 will be expensive to operate long term.
The Saabs are pilots aircraft but the ATR is more economical and passenger friendly. Fuel burn of probably 800kg/hr with 72 passengers.
The smaller Dash 8 models would have been a good replacement for the Saab 340 but they stopped making them too. The Q400 wouldn't really be suitable for Loganair's shorter routes.
The Saab 2000 will be expensive to operate long term.
Surely the market for the smaller turbo prop is about to grow. With the aging Dash8 -100 and -200 and the Saab 340 coming to the end of their economic lives and only the ATR to replace them?
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Is there any news on how the ATR trials went?
I think Loganair are still keeping their options open, I think the new 340 they have is only being leased for the year initially. Although saying that they have spent an awful lot of money on the PAX 340 fleet refurbishing them last year so they must be intending on using them for a little while yet.
It seems like they are doing lots of recruiting as well for all the back office (marketing, commercial etc) people they will need now they are going it alone.
I think Loganair are still keeping their options open, I think the new 340 they have is only being leased for the year initially. Although saying that they have spent an awful lot of money on the PAX 340 fleet refurbishing them last year so they must be intending on using them for a little while yet.
It seems like they are doing lots of recruiting as well for all the back office (marketing, commercial etc) people they will need now they are going it alone.
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When loganair set up there own flight booking web site to go it alone as a stand alone operator, hopefully they will be offering cheaper fares on the likes of the Inverness - Manchester - Inverness routes.
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I don't think they'll be cheaper. Instead of paying franchise fees to flyBe they'll have to pay for admin services and support themselves which comes at a cost. If anyone's looking forward to lower fares then they're setting themselves up for disappointment.
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With the closure of citywings has this opened up an opportunity to take over the Glasgow to IOM route? Surely now it can be made commercially viable as it would be the only airline on the route.
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I think Loganair is the airline to fill the void left by Citywing's closure.
Belfast City twice daily ideally, on Saab and done in conjunction with GLA and potentially EDI rotations. BHD twice daily on a Saab would be a significant increase in capacity, but given the fares that Citywing were collecting for very short trips, I believe that Loganair could stimulate the market and grow the business. EDI as an aside while non operational of late it had enjoyed stronger numbers than GLA in the mid 2000's, circa 2006.
The underlying challenge will be loganair's ability to cost effectively deliver such an operation without basing aircraft and crew on the Island, in which case a daily Scotland -IOM-Belfast -IOM-Scotland rotation would appear more feasable. They certainly could look to lever costs at airports like IOM/BFS/BHD...
Belfast City twice daily ideally, on Saab and done in conjunction with GLA and potentially EDI rotations. BHD twice daily on a Saab would be a significant increase in capacity, but given the fares that Citywing were collecting for very short trips, I believe that Loganair could stimulate the market and grow the business. EDI as an aside while non operational of late it had enjoyed stronger numbers than GLA in the mid 2000's, circa 2006.
The underlying challenge will be loganair's ability to cost effectively deliver such an operation without basing aircraft and crew on the Island, in which case a daily Scotland -IOM-Belfast -IOM-Scotland rotation would appear more feasable. They certainly could look to lever costs at airports like IOM/BFS/BHD...
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Which begs the question - why has Loganair never done that before? Maybe because they don't feel it is worth the effort? Citywings chased them off the rock within ten weeks when Loganair tried BHD and BLK a couple of years back - despite the superior aircraft, better brand and - on paper - the better economics of a larger operation.
To be honest, I believe that most of the Citywing routes will be gone for good unless some foreign airline with a 19 seater shows up or the routes get some sort of subsidy. Purely commercial regional flying is more or less dead.
To be honest, I believe that most of the Citywing routes will be gone for good unless some foreign airline with a 19 seater shows up or the routes get some sort of subsidy. Purely commercial regional flying is more or less dead.
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You make a lot of sense here, but to be fair Citywing had 10 daily iom bhd serving both airports , with very low costs, ie a prop with low fuel burn and a well known name in the market, business people had frequency and the locals in IOM knew they were on these routes. Loganair also are quite risk averse, this time without an incumbent they might look at it...
You make a lot of sense here, but to be fair Citywing had 10 daily iom bhd serving both airports , with very low costs, ie a prop with low fuel burn and a well known name in the market, business people had frequency and the locals in IOM knew they were on these routes. Loganair also are quite risk averse, this time without an incumbent they might look at it...
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It would be great if Loganair can find a way to add such services however I am not holding my breath. They have operated IOM to both GLA and EDI before when they operated as both BA and Flybe franchisees.
Even with these more "recognised" brands there was insufficient traffic. Citywing only took over the IOM-GLA route after Loganair/Flybe pulled out and after the IOM and Scottish Governments got involved.
Even with these more "recognised" brands there was insufficient traffic. Citywing only took over the IOM-GLA route after Loganair/Flybe pulled out and after the IOM and Scottish Governments got involved.
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You make a lot of sense here, but to be fair Citywing had 10 daily iom bhd serving both airports
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Hm, needs some fine tuning.
You should not start your fleet presentation with the smallest aircraft, and you should not start your fares sub-menu with compassionate fares talking aobut deaths, illnesses etc.
You should not start your fleet presentation with the smallest aircraft, and you should not start your fares sub-menu with compassionate fares talking aobut deaths, illnesses etc.
