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Old 17th Aug 2017, 13:07
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Given the fact Loganair chose DTV which like Prestwick is not in good shape .
On a route served already, and at that one that is dropping in numbers to the point Eastern have changed to a smaller aircraft.

I read when they started that they wanted to 'aggressively target Northern English airports '.

I would not be surprised to see them add HUY, DSA and EMS on top of the services already provided .

But your right in the end the passengers will loose out in this scenario .
No-one else ..
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Old 17th Aug 2017, 14:41
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Originally Posted by TelsBoy View Post
Is it just me, or is anyone else finding this willy-waving between Loganair and Flybe/Eastern rather tedious, incredibly unprofessional and downright childish?
No, its not just you
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Old 17th Aug 2017, 15:57
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Originally Posted by EGPO View Post
I read when they started that they wanted to 'aggressively target Northern English airports '.
And maybe LBA?

Agree - nobody wins from this nonsense :-(
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Old 17th Aug 2017, 17:26
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Originally Posted by TelsBoy View Post
From my point of view it appears Flybe/Eastern are attempting to shaft Loganair,
I agree with this comment!

Flybe are throwing the toys out the pram on this issue, where as they could have continued with a code share agreement. They are going further down the rankings, in my opinion, and I will avoid using them in future, unless absolutely necessary.
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Old 18th Aug 2017, 14:44
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Originally Posted by TelsBoy View Post
In the past 24 hours I have read a Loganair propaganda leaflet poking fun at Eastern's fleet among other things, along with an article in the Stornoway Gazette with a High Heid Yin from Flybe offering islanders the chance to come and "Hear the facts" about the air services. Is it just me, or is anyone else finding this willy-waving between Loganair and Flybe/Eastern rather tedious, incredibly unprofessional and downright childish?

From my point of view it appears Flybe/Eastern are attempting to shaft Loganair, something which for either party (but especially BE/T3) can only end in rather expensive and painful tears. The main people losing out, however, will be the island communities, again at the mercy of this rather farcical storm.
Loganair have been more dignified, imo.
They are simply pointing out that Eastern's planes aren't great - having flown on them would be doing the same if I was Loganair.

Loganair should definitely be shouting about luggage allowances, no credit card fees and inflight service.

Loganair are also operating

MANCHESTER - SUMBURGH which I think is new. There's a touchdown in Glasgow en route but again, a much better proposition that BET3.

The H&I have been through all this before when Loganair and British Airways both operated there. I can't recall how many routes overlapped.
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Old 20th Aug 2017, 13:31
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Originally Posted by EGPO View Post
Given the fact Loganair chose DTV which like Prestwick is not in good shape .
On a route served already, and at that one that is dropping in numbers to the point Eastern have changed to a smaller aircraft.

I read when they started that they wanted to 'aggressively target Northern English airports '.

I would not be surprised to see them add HUY, DSA and EMS on top of the services already provided .

But your right in the end the passengers will loose out in this scenario .
No-one else ..




Unlikely loganair would operate into HUY as Bristow's/Eastern own the airport! ABZ-DSA might work to take on the T3 ABZ-HUY
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Old 22nd Aug 2017, 11:23
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Originally Posted by SealinkBF View Post
Loganair have been more dignified, imo.
They are simply pointing out that Eastern's planes aren't great - having flown on them would be doing the same if I was Loganair.

Loganair should definitely be shouting about luggage allowances, no credit card fees and inflight service.

Loganair are also operating

MANCHESTER - SUMBURGH which I think is new. There's a touchdown in Glasgow en route but again, a much better proposition that BET3.

The H&I have been through all this before when Loganair and British Airways both operated there. I can't recall how many routes overlapped.

I'm not sure they have been to be honest.


Loganair gatecrashes Flybe meeting


This is just childish.


That said public opinion seems to be on Loganair's side. Most folks in the Highlands & Islands appear not fooled by the advertising, the empty promises or the back-of-a-fag-packet calculations on offer by FlyBe/Eastern, certainly if Eastern's reputation for reliability, customer service and how they treat their staff is anything to go by, not to mention BE's appalling treatment of Loganair and the mud-slinging I'll be very surprised if the partnership lasts long.
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Old 22nd Aug 2017, 15:51
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Originally Posted by TelsBoy View Post
I'm not sure they have been to be honest.


Loganair gatecrashes Flybe meeting


This is just childish.
My benchmark for "childish" was set by Stelios H-I in an orange boiler suit wandering through Stansted airport with his 2m long boarding pass for Go's first flight. I'm pretty sure nobody else can ever touch it...
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Old 22nd Aug 2017, 16:01
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Who will do the ground handling for eastern/flybe?? Think loganair have their own staff.
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Old 22nd Aug 2017, 16:20
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Originally Posted by 01475 View Post
My benchmark for "childish" was set by Stelios H-I in an orange boiler suit wandering through Stansted airport with his 2m long boarding pass for Go's first flight. I'm pretty sure nobody else can ever touch it...
Branson lifting has kilt up at the Red launch?
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Old 22nd Aug 2017, 16:27
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That definitely wasn't childish. That was on a different spectrum (the far end of which is covered by legislation...)
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 13:23
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Originally Posted by scr1 View Post
Who will do the ground handling for eastern/flybe?? Think loganair have their own staff.
Loganair!

Who will open online check in four days prior now, and the silly photo ID requirement is gone for hand baggage only pax.
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 23:46
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I note that Loganair are now selling

MANCHESTER - KIRKWALL Direct
MANCHESTER - STORNOWAY Direct

Flights touchdown in Scotland each way (some Glasgow, some Inverness) : clearly another way to cover Flybe/Eastern's cherry picking.
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Old 31st Aug 2017, 13:46
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To add to Flybe/Eastern/Loganair's troubles is the news that the Scottish government is introducing RET on the Northern Isles ferries.

I know the ferry isn't everyone's cup of tea, but the routes will be significantly cheaper from next year. That's Aberdeen to Kirkwall, Aberdeen to Lerwick, Kirkwall to Lerwick, Scrabster to Stromness and Gills Bay to St. Margarets Hope.
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Old 1st Sep 2017, 15:49
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Are the three Tw'Otters getting the new livery? Is G-BVVK really needed with two new Viking built machines? They only need two to cover the operation?

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Old 1st Sep 2017, 16:37
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Are the three Tw'Otters getting the new livery? Is G-BVVK really needed with two new Viking built machines? They only need two to cover the operation?

Oh and welcome back
Think the 2 Viking machines have to stay in their current colours as they are owned by the Scottish Government.
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Old 1st Sep 2017, 20:59
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Any chance that Loganair are looking at BHX routes for the future? It would be nice to have a choice when flying up to GLA and EDI, just saying....
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Old 1st Sep 2017, 21:31
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You have a choice. The train, slower but more frequent.
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Old 2nd Sep 2017, 07:41
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You have a choice. The train, slower but more frequent.
Might be more dependable, using Inverness-Manchester as a yardstick. They have had to pull a Saab 2000 from Aberdeen three times in the last fortnight to clear up for the ERJ. This mornings flight is still not showing on FR24.
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Old 2nd Sep 2017, 07:49
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Bet Logan are laughing all the way with this one!

Flybe signs three-year ground handling deal with Loganair - Business Insider
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