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With the launch of the 3 new French routes, I assume Flybe and the new owners have come to an agreement on airport charges, good news. Glad to see Rennes has been added, Exeter's twin city.
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Taken from BBC news:
Airport sell-off nets county £60m
Devon County Council has sold Exeter International Airport for £60m.
It was bought by Regional and City Airports Limited (RCA) in a deal described by the authority as good news for the airport and the local economy.
Council leader Brian Greenslade said the council had doubled its money after a previous attempt to sell failed.
Exeter Airport, base to airline Flybe, was put back on the market in spring after the owners of Bristol airport pulled out due to competition concerns.
We shall take time and care on deciding how the money can be put to best use for Devon
Council leader Brian Greenslade
Mr Greenslade said: "We have effectively doubled our money in just 12 months compared to the net figure the county council would have received had the first sale process last year been concluded.
"It is a vindication of our decision to put the airport back on the market again and the value of exercising cool, measured judgement."
He said no decisions had been taken on how the cash would be spent.
"We shall take time and care on deciding how the money can be put to best use for Devon," he said.
RCA, part of engineering giant Balfour Beatty, said it wanted Exeter to become "the natural airport of choice for the region".
'Totally committed'
It is the first time Balfour Beatty has been involved with running an airport and it is bringing management experts from London City Airport to assist.
A spokeswoman said: "It is a departure for us, but we bring the experience of running other high-profile projects like hospitals and schools through the Private Finance Initiative.
"We are totally committed to the airport."
The airport has been in the hands of the county council since it was sold by the Ministry of Defence after World War II.
It has only started becoming profitable in the last five years.
Nearly one million passengers used the airport last year, up from 618,201 in 2004.
Devon County Council has sold Exeter International Airport for £60m.
It was bought by Regional and City Airports Limited (RCA) in a deal described by the authority as good news for the airport and the local economy.
Council leader Brian Greenslade said the council had doubled its money after a previous attempt to sell failed.
Exeter Airport, base to airline Flybe, was put back on the market in spring after the owners of Bristol airport pulled out due to competition concerns.
We shall take time and care on deciding how the money can be put to best use for Devon
Council leader Brian Greenslade
Mr Greenslade said: "We have effectively doubled our money in just 12 months compared to the net figure the county council would have received had the first sale process last year been concluded.
"It is a vindication of our decision to put the airport back on the market again and the value of exercising cool, measured judgement."
He said no decisions had been taken on how the cash would be spent.
"We shall take time and care on deciding how the money can be put to best use for Devon," he said.
RCA, part of engineering giant Balfour Beatty, said it wanted Exeter to become "the natural airport of choice for the region".
'Totally committed'
It is the first time Balfour Beatty has been involved with running an airport and it is bringing management experts from London City Airport to assist.
A spokeswoman said: "It is a departure for us, but we bring the experience of running other high-profile projects like hospitals and schools through the Private Finance Initiative.
"We are totally committed to the airport."
The airport has been in the hands of the county council since it was sold by the Ministry of Defence after World War II.
It has only started becoming profitable in the last five years.
Nearly one million passengers used the airport last year, up from 618,201 in 2004.
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There are reports all in the local papers today about the sale and hints and major expansion and flights into London, most likey City Airport with who has now bought it don't you think??
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Flights to LCY would be great for onward connecting traffic but I'm not sure how well the route would compete with the train for general traffic to London given that many of the trains are timetabled to take two hours now.
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I don't think it's really an ASW style route. Maybe VLM or T3? A J41 would probably be just about the right size of aircraft for the route but it would mean Eastern opening up a new base at EXT, not that it's unheard of for them to do so for the sake of just one route. They don't have a crew base at either Bristol or Cardiff.
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Exeter London Route
If this route goes ahead I think VLM is by far the most likely airline going to be doing it. Scot Airways is a possibility but I couldnt see it. Athought Flybe are suitable in that they have an Exeter base, I cant see it.
Apart from that not many more alternatives, unless a new player is going to arrive at EXT. I understand that BE is renegotiating all fees with airports in advance of the Bacon integration, as such I could see a new owner at Exeter keen to have a second airline with a base at Exeter?
Apart from that not many more alternatives, unless a new player is going to arrive at EXT. I understand that BE is renegotiating all fees with airports in advance of the Bacon integration, as such I could see a new owner at Exeter keen to have a second airline with a base at Exeter?
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The ideal ones for that sort of route would be VLM or Scot Airways.
Flybe stopped operating the Jersey-London City and the Isle Man services when the last of the smaller Dashes left the home meaning the 300s and 200 Dashes they operated in the earlier days, which seem a long time ago now.
If a service does start it would have to be morning and late afternoon or early evening to try and work.
Some of the problems would be getting the slots at London City as the service would require some prime time ones Monday to Friday.
Flybe stopped operating the Jersey-London City and the Isle Man services when the last of the smaller Dashes left the home meaning the 300s and 200 Dashes they operated in the earlier days, which seem a long time ago now.
If a service does start it would have to be morning and late afternoon or early evening to try and work.
Some of the problems would be getting the slots at London City as the service would require some prime time ones Monday to Friday.
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I would think it's almost a dead cert the new owners will try and encourage a new airline to base itself at EXT. Any business with any sense won't want all their eggs in one basket i.e Flybe.
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FCA will be visiting 4 times a week on W patterns in summer, 1 x 320 PFO, 1 x 757 MAH, 1 x 321 PMI, 1 x 321 FAO, Also LPA showing O/B with Futura and I/B with FCA, Could EXT be getting closer to a year round base?
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Could be anything...
Out of interest, how do you know which airlines and aircraft will be operating in the summer? I used to look on a website but that hasn't been updated in like 2 years!!!
According to FCA, the B757 will be based at BRS this summer replacing the normal A321 so maybe they are considering placing this on more EXT routes. As much as that would be great, I want to see different airlines coming in in addition to the current ones.....More scheduled airlines would be cool at least they would be frequent arrivals/departures. Maybe GSM would consider EXT as they are adding Toronto/Hamilton this year. Any idea on a/c? B757 or B767??
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Out of interest, how do you know which airlines and aircraft will be operating in the summer? I used to look on a website but that hasn't been updated in like 2 years!!!
According to FCA, the B757 will be based at BRS this summer replacing the normal A321 so maybe they are considering placing this on more EXT routes. As much as that would be great, I want to see different airlines coming in in addition to the current ones.....More scheduled airlines would be cool at least they would be frequent arrivals/departures. Maybe GSM would consider EXT as they are adding Toronto/Hamilton this year. Any idea on a/c? B757 or B767??
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Any ideas on what other operators are coming in S07? I used to look at the 'Xair' website but quite frankly that is useless - last updated 2005!!
I know the usual visitors last year was LTE/Volar A320, Air Europa B738's, Futura B738's, Air Malta/XL A320, FCA B752/A320, Sun Express B738's, Onur Air A321, Air Transat A310, EuroCypria B738 Austrian Arrows F100, Sunadria F100, SATA A320, Viking Airlines MD83, BritishJet MD90 and of course the Flybe's........but would be nice to see some others.
Although, I don't think the Viking is operating this year. The BritishJet is still operating on Wednesdays (2nd year running) so demand for Malta must be high.
I used to like the MYT A320 coming in in the new colours...shame that stopped. It would be fab so get some more based aircraft however the problem is Flybe already use 4 stands and there isn't many as it is........Exeter Airport need to pull their finger out and start expanding the apron and terminal facilities before we shall see a large increase in operators.
There was a rumour a while ago that Ryanair were considering Exeter to London Stansted to replace the Newquay flights (after the Newquay departure tax argument) but havn't heard anything since.
The only new aircraft will be Blue Line F100 which will be operating some of the Flybe routes whilst Flybe wait for more Embraer 195's to be delivered.
When you think about it I suppose, Exeter does pretty bloody well over the summer:
Edinburgh, Glasgow, Aberdeen, Newcastle, Norwich, Leeds/Bford, Guernsey, Jersey, Manchester, Alicante, Faro, Palma, Nice, Avignon, Rennes, Bergerac, Brest, Paris CDG, Amsterdam, Malaga, Belfast, Dublin, Corfu, Crete, Tenerife, Minorca, Dalaman, Bodrum, Antalya, Paphos, Larnaca, Madeira, Las Palmas, Arrecife(Lanzarote), Toronto Pearson, Toronto Hamilton, Austria, Verona, Bulgaria, Malta, Ibiza, Monastir, Scilly Isles.
(Proud I remembered most of them)
I know the usual visitors last year was LTE/Volar A320, Air Europa B738's, Futura B738's, Air Malta/XL A320, FCA B752/A320, Sun Express B738's, Onur Air A321, Air Transat A310, EuroCypria B738 Austrian Arrows F100, Sunadria F100, SATA A320, Viking Airlines MD83, BritishJet MD90 and of course the Flybe's........but would be nice to see some others.
Although, I don't think the Viking is operating this year. The BritishJet is still operating on Wednesdays (2nd year running) so demand for Malta must be high.
I used to like the MYT A320 coming in in the new colours...shame that stopped. It would be fab so get some more based aircraft however the problem is Flybe already use 4 stands and there isn't many as it is........Exeter Airport need to pull their finger out and start expanding the apron and terminal facilities before we shall see a large increase in operators.
There was a rumour a while ago that Ryanair were considering Exeter to London Stansted to replace the Newquay flights (after the Newquay departure tax argument) but havn't heard anything since.
The only new aircraft will be Blue Line F100 which will be operating some of the Flybe routes whilst Flybe wait for more Embraer 195's to be delivered.
When you think about it I suppose, Exeter does pretty bloody well over the summer:
Edinburgh, Glasgow, Aberdeen, Newcastle, Norwich, Leeds/Bford, Guernsey, Jersey, Manchester, Alicante, Faro, Palma, Nice, Avignon, Rennes, Bergerac, Brest, Paris CDG, Amsterdam, Malaga, Belfast, Dublin, Corfu, Crete, Tenerife, Minorca, Dalaman, Bodrum, Antalya, Paphos, Larnaca, Madeira, Las Palmas, Arrecife(Lanzarote), Toronto Pearson, Toronto Hamilton, Austria, Verona, Bulgaria, Malta, Ibiza, Monastir, Scilly Isles.
(Proud I remembered most of them)
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The Oracle hey? quite like that one, might change my username!
FCA EXT Equipment this summer is as follows;
MON: EXT-MAH (W-Pattern from MAN) B757
TUE: EXT-PMI (W-Pattern from EMA) A321
WED: EXT-PFO (W-Pattern from EMA) A321
THUR: EXT-FAO (W-Pattern from LGW) A320
ENJOY!
FCA EXT Equipment this summer is as follows;
MON: EXT-MAH (W-Pattern from MAN) B757
TUE: EXT-PMI (W-Pattern from EMA) A321
WED: EXT-PFO (W-Pattern from EMA) A321
THUR: EXT-FAO (W-Pattern from LGW) A320
ENJOY!
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Glad to see that the PFO a/c has changed this year. It has always been a A320 for as long as I can remember.
I am flying to Faro from BRS this summer so pleased about that - can't stand the A320's I am afraid.
Out of interest, has FCA ever shown any strong interest in basing an aircraft over the summer. I know the A320 is based during the winter season (maybe that will change next year) and also, do you think FCA would ever consider reinstating the Rhodes flights (They did this a few years ago when AMM) and also some other Greek destinations?
I am flying to Faro from BRS this summer so pleased about that - can't stand the A320's I am afraid.
Out of interest, has FCA ever shown any strong interest in basing an aircraft over the summer. I know the A320 is based during the winter season (maybe that will change next year) and also, do you think FCA would ever consider reinstating the Rhodes flights (They did this a few years ago when AMM) and also some other Greek destinations?
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There have been numerous rumours over the last few years about a full time EXT base for FCA, the latest that i'm aware of is that a 321 to be based from next summer 08, but as I said this is just rumour.
The problem for EXT as has been said before is that they've made it very hard for any other operator to recieve a good service down there, they tend to give a lot of priority to BE, also things like de-icing is done by BE so any other operator will be put to back of que, there is also very limited ramp and terminal space.
FCA certainly have a healthy intrest in EXT and the airport management does its best to maintain that relationship well.
What may go against an EXT base is the fact that BRS just up the road is a very strong base for them, 3rd busiest after LGW/MAN.
But then again it's no difference to BHX/EMA so who knows.
The problem for EXT as has been said before is that they've made it very hard for any other operator to recieve a good service down there, they tend to give a lot of priority to BE, also things like de-icing is done by BE so any other operator will be put to back of que, there is also very limited ramp and terminal space.
FCA certainly have a healthy intrest in EXT and the airport management does its best to maintain that relationship well.
What may go against an EXT base is the fact that BRS just up the road is a very strong base for them, 3rd busiest after LGW/MAN.
But then again it's no difference to BHX/EMA so who knows.
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Completely understand what you say...all the more reason to get the EXT expansion programme up and running.
To be honest, as I have said already, I don't think there is feasability to any more expansion (operator wise) as the facilities are so limited. Try getting the number of passengers for an A321, two - three Dash8-Q400s and a Embraer 195 plus any additional aircraft ranging from A320 up to A310, then you have a problem on your hands especially if you are at the check-in desks!!
Last year, some of our passengers were waiting outside being given bottled water due to the lack of operational check-in desks.
To be honest, as I have said already, I don't think there is feasability to any more expansion (operator wise) as the facilities are so limited. Try getting the number of passengers for an A321, two - three Dash8-Q400s and a Embraer 195 plus any additional aircraft ranging from A320 up to A310, then you have a problem on your hands especially if you are at the check-in desks!!
Last year, some of our passengers were waiting outside being given bottled water due to the lack of operational check-in desks.
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Hi guys, this is my first post so please bear mith me. just acouple of points, with regard to the de-icing done by flybe at exeter, any a/c that need de-icing will always be done according to departure time,so if FCA are 3rd to depart then they will be done 3rd and not at the end and secondly there are 4x q400's that nightstop ext and not 3. Hope this clarifies a few points. Cheers.