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Domestic pas have their photo taken when the scan the boarding card at security. Then when you board at the gate, the boarding card is scanned again and your picture comes up on the screen. That's how it works!
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Which part of ' switch off all electronic devices ' for takeoff did you not understand??
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Also, yes, the check in machine needs to read a credit card, exec card or passport to check you in, but I needn't be the person who's details are on said cards or passport and I can still obtain a boarding card for a flight there is no record of me being on. Also, even at LHR or LGW, as no ID is ever asked for, a picture is only matched to a boarding card, it is still possible for someone who isn't on any passenger list to get airside and board an aircraft if no photo ID check ever takes place, which it doesn't on internal flights.
Not a security risk, of course, I know all passengers are screened the same no matter what boarding card they hold, but it strikes me as odd that only the locos care about who exactly is on their domestic flights.
Also, about the filming of a take off. We all know that 99.9% of video cameras won't interfere with the aircraft systems. However, the CC do ask for them to be swtiched off so that pax are paying attention to their surroundings and not faffing about, if a potential incident happens on TO, it's better for them all to be alert and able to get out quickly. Of course in this day and age, if the unthinkable happens, there is always going to be some idiot sitting at the emergency exit filming the whole thing and uploading it straight to twitter, while at the same time impeding everyone else trying to get outside!
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Not a security risk, of course, I know all passengers are screened the same no matter what boarding card they hold, but it strikes me as odd that only the locos care about who exactly is on their domestic flights.
That worries me.
Man has ticket, (possibly from family / mate who can't go), man passes through security, man gets on plane. None of this is actually a threat. The mindset reminds me of the chap who was fined for getting off his train at the stop before his ticket was booked to, he was nearly arrested. The harm of course was ZERO but now it's all about the process and following lots of rules, something we do better than anyone. Think of the Italian / French attitude to terror suspects and deportation versus our own, they just chuck them out for the common good, we are terrified to step outside the process.
Being forced to carry a passport to fly from London to Edinburgh won't make you any safer, it really, really won't.
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It's not whether they a safe or not youse, it is distracting you to listening out forany emergency commands which may arise during the critical phases of flight. I.e takeoff and landing! If you adopt the race position, where are you going to put the camera???? Your hands ae on your head,the cameragoesflying through the cabin....... Maybe you should gets grip and listen to the announcements and respect why they are there in the first place
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It's not whether they a safe or not youse, it is distracting you to listening out forany emergency commands which may arise during the critical phases of flight. I.e takeoff and landing! If you adopt the race position, where are you going to put the camera???? Your hands ae on your head,the cameragoesflying through the cabin....... Maybe you should gets grip and listen to the announcements and respect why they are there in the first place
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I wish your friend at Aer Lingus was on my last Aer Lingus flight then, because mid-flight I was using my camera to take photos out of the window (this was in flight, not during take off/landing) and a member of the cabin crew came storming down the aisle demanding I delete all my photos whilst telling me it's "illegal to take photos on an aircraft".
Given that I wasn't in the mood for an argument, I just apologised and said ok, because I could tell it would've only ended badly.
Realistically, I would've liked to have questioned it, and queried whether it was simply company policy or actual law, and whether she could tell me what the wording of that law/policy was, as surely you need to know what the law is in order to enforce it. Or maybe I'm wrong?
She really was paranoid though, started going on about 9/11 and all sorts, hinting that I might be some kind of terrorist. God forbid if she ever looks on a.net or youtube, she'd probably have a coronary. Quite sad really.
Given that I wasn't in the mood for an argument, I just apologised and said ok, because I could tell it would've only ended badly.
Realistically, I would've liked to have questioned it, and queried whether it was simply company policy or actual law, and whether she could tell me what the wording of that law/policy was, as surely you need to know what the law is in order to enforce it. Or maybe I'm wrong?
She really was paranoid though, started going on about 9/11 and all sorts, hinting that I might be some kind of terrorist. God forbid if she ever looks on a.net or youtube, she'd probably have a coronary. Quite sad really.
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That's very 21st century British, I can see you are actually concerned.
That worries me.
Man has ticket, (possibly from family / mate who can't go), man passes through security, man gets on plane. None of this is actually a threat. The mindset reminds me of the chap who was fined for getting off his train at the stop before his ticket was booked to, he was nearly arrested. The harm of course was ZERO but now it's all about the process and following lots of rules, something we do better than anyone. Think of the Italian / French attitude to terror suspects and deportation versus our own, they just chuck them out for the common good, we are terrified to step outside the process.
Being forced to carry a passport to fly from London to Edinburgh won't make you any safer, it really, really won't.
That worries me.
Man has ticket, (possibly from family / mate who can't go), man passes through security, man gets on plane. None of this is actually a threat. The mindset reminds me of the chap who was fined for getting off his train at the stop before his ticket was booked to, he was nearly arrested. The harm of course was ZERO but now it's all about the process and following lots of rules, something we do better than anyone. Think of the Italian / French attitude to terror suspects and deportation versus our own, they just chuck them out for the common good, we are terrified to step outside the process.
Being forced to carry a passport to fly from London to Edinburgh won't make you any safer, it really, really won't.
In theory though, what's to stop someone who's been banned from BA (say for assaulting cabin crew or ground staff or causing disruption on a flight) getting on one of their aircraft using the name of a mate? What about a group of plane stupid morons using fake names and getting on board and causing a scene? These things could easily happen if no one bothers to check who's actually on the planes.
I wish your friend at Aer Lingus was on my last Aer Lingus flight then, because mid-flight I was using my camera to take photos out of the window (this was in flight, not during take off/landing) and a member of the cabin crew came storming down the aisle demanding I delete all my photos whilst telling me it's "illegal to take photos on an aircraft".
.If I remember correctly it came down to the lawful order of the flight crew leavened with a pinch of over-reaction
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She really was paranoid though, started going on about 9/11 and all sorts, hinting that I might be some kind of terrorist. God forbid if she ever looks on a.net or youtube, she'd probably have a coronary. Quite sad really.
Maybe it's an Irish 'thang' but I had a similar experience on Ryanair some time back. I've tried to search the forum for the advice I got without success. The topic may have been on (whisper it) 'Flyer Talk .
If I remember correctly it came down to the lawful order of the flight crew leavened with a pinch of over-reaction
.If I remember correctly it came down to the lawful order of the flight crew leavened with a pinch of over-reaction
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Absolutely... I was actually going to call Aer Lingus or write them an email to follow it up, but I seem to remember the only way of contacting them was via snail mail, and I'd probably only end up with a cut and paste generic response anyway.
But yeah, to be honest, her attitude was appalling and I agree the way she handled it wasn't good, especially by giving '9/11' as the reason I couldn't take a photo of the sky. She did cause a bit of a scene and left me feeling like a criminal on an empty A320 (20 people onboard). I even tried to sweeten her up a bit by buying a drink from the BOB menu, but that didn't seem to work and instead I just got deathly stares for the rest of the flight. It has seriously put me and my friends off Aer Lingus.
Must say I've never had a problem with Ryanair though
(apologies if this has de-railed the EDI thread a bit)
But yeah, to be honest, her attitude was appalling and I agree the way she handled it wasn't good, especially by giving '9/11' as the reason I couldn't take a photo of the sky. She did cause a bit of a scene and left me feeling like a criminal on an empty A320 (20 people onboard). I even tried to sweeten her up a bit by buying a drink from the BOB menu, but that didn't seem to work and instead I just got deathly stares for the rest of the flight. It has seriously put me and my friends off Aer Lingus.
Must say I've never had a problem with Ryanair though
(apologies if this has de-railed the EDI thread a bit)
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To film, video AND slr rememer, you have to ignore the explicit instruction to "switch off all electronic devices". Some CC see no harm, others feel you are placing their safety at risk. Be discrete and don't argue as in this instance, company and Police will back cabin crew. Discretion!
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For take off and landing I would certainly agree. However I was under the impression that electronic devices are allowed to be used in flight, which is why I was so shocked at how the cabin crew member went funny at me. I could've understood it if I was shoving it in her face or disrupting other pax, but this was not the case at all.
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To film, video AND slr rememer, you have to ignore the explicit instruction to "switch off all electronic devices". Some CC see no harm, others feel you are placing their safety at risk. Be discrete and don't argue as in this instance, company and Police will back cabin crew. Discretion!
If Cabin Crew ask for no electrical items to be used then I will not go against their word, nor should any other pax. I don't like it when people ignore my instructions at work, so I do not treat others that way either. If people continually ignore CC then who knows where we will be in a few years time? Total ban on cameras and phones in hand luggage? Video cameras and iPhones being taken away at security? We'd only have ourselves to blame if it became like that.
If they don't see you or ignore you then fair enough, but if they ask you to turn it off then simply do so. It's not hard to do as they request.
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Ryanair are due to anounce more route cuts and less based aircraft later on today. Is this them turning the screw with EDI to get a better deal?
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Budget airline Ryanair have cut eight routes from Edinburgh Airport.
On Thursday, the company announced they were axing their flights to Bratislava in Slovakia, Bremen and Frankfurt in Germany, Fuerteventura in the Canary Islands, Gothenburg in Sweden, Kaunas in Lithuania, and Lodz and Poznan in Poland.
On Thursday, the company announced they were axing their flights to Bratislava in Slovakia, Bremen and Frankfurt in Germany, Fuerteventura in the Canary Islands, Gothenburg in Sweden, Kaunas in Lithuania, and Lodz and Poznan in Poland.