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Jamie 2k9, I stand corrected. Were there not a few technical issues within the past few months where Flybe have delayed flights and/or had to call in spare aircraft?
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Yes you are right there has been a number of major delayed flights because of tec problems and a few canceled flights.
As for summer 11 it looks like BE will increase DUB flights but as I don't know how by how much as I don't remember what operated this year. It also looks that Exeter will be reduced.
Even tonight DUB - Exeter cancelled by tec problem. Aircraft now grounded in DUB until tomorrow.
As for summer 11 it looks like BE will increase DUB flights but as I don't know how by how much as I don't remember what operated this year. It also looks that Exeter will be reduced.
Even tonight DUB - Exeter cancelled by tec problem. Aircraft now grounded in DUB until tomorrow.
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There were 3 flights daily, one in the early morning (just before 7am), one around 1-2 pm and then one in the evening around 8:30pm. that operated every weekday on a dash 8 then on a reduced frequency on the weekend.However wasn't one flight on a sunday operated by an embraer?(probably wrong!)
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Minorca would also probably be a good route for one of the new Embraer 175s at 2/3 per week in the summer, as so far all of the balieric flights from southampton are to palma, their must be some demand to both Minorca and Ibiza.
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New destination wish list for SOU
I defintly think that Minorca and Ibiza could work well from Southampton with Flybe along with Barcelona, also Milan.
A return of Air Berlin to Paderborn and perhaps a new route to Berlin or Cologne.
Lufthansa double daily to Frankfurt and Munich and maybe Hamburg.
( I work in the cruise business and Cunard have many German origionating passengers sailing from Southampton particulary from Hamburg )
A return of KLM to Amsterdam.
Air France to Paris CDG.
Aer Lingus to Dublin.
SAS to Copenhagen.
Easyjet to Geneva ( replacing the BOH route )
SOU is too dependent on Flybe and BAA should be trying to secure new airlines into airport.
On another note I think in hindsight it was a mistake to sell the land where the Post Office depot is now as that would have been the most obvious place to extend the apron stands rather than on the other side of the runway where the planned stands would be built according to the airports masterplan.
A return of Air Berlin to Paderborn and perhaps a new route to Berlin or Cologne.
Lufthansa double daily to Frankfurt and Munich and maybe Hamburg.
( I work in the cruise business and Cunard have many German origionating passengers sailing from Southampton particulary from Hamburg )
A return of KLM to Amsterdam.
Air France to Paris CDG.
Aer Lingus to Dublin.
SAS to Copenhagen.
Easyjet to Geneva ( replacing the BOH route )
SOU is too dependent on Flybe and BAA should be trying to secure new airlines into airport.
On another note I think in hindsight it was a mistake to sell the land where the Post Office depot is now as that would have been the most obvious place to extend the apron stands rather than on the other side of the runway where the planned stands would be built according to the airports masterplan.
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(Lufthansa double daily to Frankfurt and Munich and maybe Hamburg)
Obviously unaware that LH have a significant hub in Dusseldorf that serves well with services to/from other UK airports and before Hamburg comes in to the equation!
(A return of KLM to Amsterdam / Air France to Paris CDG)
It's the same airline, it only takes either of the 'brands' to operate SOU to CDG or AMS because there are plenty of AF/KL AMS/CDG or CDG/AMS flights to transit via the other hub!
Obviously unaware that LH have a significant hub in Dusseldorf that serves well with services to/from other UK airports and before Hamburg comes in to the equation!
(A return of KLM to Amsterdam / Air France to Paris CDG)
It's the same airline, it only takes either of the 'brands' to operate SOU to CDG or AMS because there are plenty of AF/KL AMS/CDG or CDG/AMS flights to transit via the other hub!
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I can't see the ezy move happening but am confident that KLM would do very well with connecting traffic as currently you can only fly to Paris Orly which has far fewer routes to connect to but is better for the point to point traffic as it is more convenient for people visiting Paris. The LH routes would do well for both connecting traffic as well as point to point and would probably pave the way to more *A routes and ones from their partner airlines such as Brussles Airlines, Swiss, Lot(big Polish community in Southampton) and SAS.
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Regarding some of the carriers mentioned, a german carrier ie Lufthansa or Air Berlin is almost a necessity in keeping Southampton an open market or un-monopolised airport. It is almost guarenteed though that when the new e-jets start to arrive next year, flybe will open up new routes to germany (Sttutgart has been mentioned among others). Easyjet to Geneva could work but obviously it would be seasonal. I suppose with the expat communities around Southampton, a Polish route would work quite nicely and now that Easyjet, WizzAir and Ryanair have either left/or gone seasonally, maybe an e-jet flight three times weekly would work to Warsaw/Krakow/possibly Katowice or Gdansk. Maybe LOT/Flybe could work on opportunities.
An embarassing fact is that there are two British airlines currently in worldwide alliances, BA in Oneworld (part-owners of Flybe but no code-share from Southampton!)and BMI in Star Alliance, and that the only legacy carrier serving Southampton is Air France-KLM of Skyteam. As part of Walsh's idea to possibly move traffic away from London, could an Air Nostrum crj 200/700 work 3/4 x weekly into either Madrid or Barcelona?BA could then start to codeshare on it?
An embarassing fact is that there are two British airlines currently in worldwide alliances, BA in Oneworld (part-owners of Flybe but no code-share from Southampton!)and BMI in Star Alliance, and that the only legacy carrier serving Southampton is Air France-KLM of Skyteam. As part of Walsh's idea to possibly move traffic away from London, could an Air Nostrum crj 200/700 work 3/4 x weekly into either Madrid or Barcelona?BA could then start to codeshare on it?
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BMI Regional tried this several times when I used to work there but as soon as they showed interest on domestic routes, flybe just upped capacity to scare them off. Flybe say they welcome competition but they certainly do their best to scare it off
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BMI would probably work well on more niche routes not currently served by Flybe and also where their is in-sufficient demand for a Q400 operation and the Air Nostrum routes would do very well, especially with a BA codeshare, they could also try VLC seen as they only have the 2 weekly FR BOH flight to compete with in the local area(if they haven't dropped it!).
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But surely BMI aren't looking at Southampton purely for domestic?
Yes, maybe Aberdeen would work as Eastern are the only competitors or possibly a Liverpool or maybe Dublin route? But also Lyon, Copenhagen,Hamburg and Berlin?
Anyway where did this rumour come from ?was it directly from inside BMI r or Southampton airport itself?
Yes, maybe Aberdeen would work as Eastern are the only competitors or possibly a Liverpool or maybe Dublin route? But also Lyon, Copenhagen,Hamburg and Berlin?
Anyway where did this rumour come from ?was it directly from inside BMI r or Southampton airport itself?
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You guys are totally getting carried away with yourselves, in the last page or so it is being peoposed, from SOU:
KLM to Amsterdam
Air France to CDG
Aer Fungus to Dublin
SAS to Copenhagen
Luxair to Luxembourg
Swiss to Zurich
BMI to Copenhagen, Lyon, Hamburg and Berlin
Lufthansa to Frankfurt, Munich, Dusseldorf, Hamburg and Stuttgart
Crikey guys, you're asking for more services and operators than even England's 2nd largest city of Birmingham has yet SOU is a regional 'town' airport!
To comment on the above, KLM to AMS or AF to CDG, one or the other but not both from 'KLM Air France'.
Dublin as an 'end of the road route' fair enough but a LCC route.
SAS to CPH, business travellers want onward connections on the same airline (for price) and SAS's route network leaves a lot to be desired!
Luxair to LUX, in UK Luxair only serve London, they tried MAN previously, is it seriously being suggested that their 2nd UK destination become SOU before MAN, BHX, Scotland etc?
Swiss, and what a lovely service they provide, in England, they only serve LON, MAN and BHX, next should be SOU?
BMI to CPH, Lyon, HAM and Berlin, CPH, HAM and Berlin already provided, by suggestions, via SAS, LH and Lyon via a connection from umpteen airports already mentioned.
Lufthansa to umpteen points in Germany? Come off it, if AF or KL are already operating, providing the worldwide connections, including connections to these German airports, then why would LH be interested however it only takes one LH route from SOU to provide connections to all over Germany and indeed the world.
Get real guys, SOU is not a major gateway airport and never will be, just as an example Cardiff, on the same level, is only served (for international connections) by KLM and it works very well for travelling the world, you seem to be expecting some 7 such operators and it ain't ever going to happen!
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KLM to Amsterdam
Air France to CDG
Aer Fungus to Dublin
SAS to Copenhagen
Luxair to Luxembourg
Swiss to Zurich
BMI to Copenhagen, Lyon, Hamburg and Berlin
Lufthansa to Frankfurt, Munich, Dusseldorf, Hamburg and Stuttgart
Crikey guys, you're asking for more services and operators than even England's 2nd largest city of Birmingham has yet SOU is a regional 'town' airport!
To comment on the above, KLM to AMS or AF to CDG, one or the other but not both from 'KLM Air France'.
Dublin as an 'end of the road route' fair enough but a LCC route.
SAS to CPH, business travellers want onward connections on the same airline (for price) and SAS's route network leaves a lot to be desired!
Luxair to LUX, in UK Luxair only serve London, they tried MAN previously, is it seriously being suggested that their 2nd UK destination become SOU before MAN, BHX, Scotland etc?
Swiss, and what a lovely service they provide, in England, they only serve LON, MAN and BHX, next should be SOU?
BMI to CPH, Lyon, HAM and Berlin, CPH, HAM and Berlin already provided, by suggestions, via SAS, LH and Lyon via a connection from umpteen airports already mentioned.
Lufthansa to umpteen points in Germany? Come off it, if AF or KL are already operating, providing the worldwide connections, including connections to these German airports, then why would LH be interested however it only takes one LH route from SOU to provide connections to all over Germany and indeed the world.
Get real guys, SOU is not a major gateway airport and never will be, just as an example Cardiff, on the same level, is only served (for international connections) by KLM and it works very well for travelling the world, you seem to be expecting some 7 such operators and it ain't ever going to happen!
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Adfly, despite contributing to the forementioned airlines , I agree that in the actual reality of airport, some of the airlines and routes mentioned above are a bit of a longshot but then again, this all came about after the recent goings-on with flybe that will see Southampton benefit greatly within the near-distant future.
However, there is a general sense of agreement that the airport needs more than one dominant regional carrier and one legacy carrier. It doesn't make sense that to get to say Berlin or Rome, that would mean having to spend say £300 and four hours in cdg on what should just be a 1-2 hour flight. The airport could benefit greatly from competition and not just a single monopoly
However, there is a general sense of agreement that the airport needs more than one dominant regional carrier and one legacy carrier. It doesn't make sense that to get to say Berlin or Rome, that would mean having to spend say £300 and four hours in cdg on what should just be a 1-2 hour flight. The airport could benefit greatly from competition and not just a single monopoly
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The need for some competition was the key point I was trying to get across as this benefits the airport and it's passengers no just in variety of routes and frequencys but also helps to reduce fares on popular routes which can often be high if there is no competition. Although Some of the suggested services could be sustained I am in agreement that others are unrealistic such as Luxair However there is plenty of unfilled demand from Sou to Germany and Spain which could easily sustain new airlines.
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Roocat,
And I neglected to mention, in my previous post, the suggestion of direct flights SOU to Poland.
Regarding your post, and as an example, BHX was my most convenient airport and I was a regular traveller to MXP and FCO. LCC's operated direct flights, except rather than MXP to BGY, however, for much the same price, if not cheaper, via a 30 minute to 1 hour connection in ZRH, Swiss operated the same routes in clean, comfortable, and friendly crewed cabins and one received a complimentary beer and and snack on each sector.
Now, go figure, with which of the two options a businessman might choose to travel with?
Another example, I was a regular traveller BHX/DUS, LH operated direct flights however, on one occasion, LH wre so expensive I didn't think twice about booking with KLM via AMS, I was going to be a bar for the evening anyway so it didn't matter to me if it was the bar in the Irish Pub in AMS airport or the bar in the Holiday Inn DUS airport!
If connections are too much for SOU pax to bear then perhaps SOU needs direct flights to every point on the planet, please let me know when the SOU to Sydney, Australia service may be starting!
And I neglected to mention, in my previous post, the suggestion of direct flights SOU to Poland.
Regarding your post, and as an example, BHX was my most convenient airport and I was a regular traveller to MXP and FCO. LCC's operated direct flights, except rather than MXP to BGY, however, for much the same price, if not cheaper, via a 30 minute to 1 hour connection in ZRH, Swiss operated the same routes in clean, comfortable, and friendly crewed cabins and one received a complimentary beer and and snack on each sector.
Now, go figure, with which of the two options a businessman might choose to travel with?
Another example, I was a regular traveller BHX/DUS, LH operated direct flights however, on one occasion, LH wre so expensive I didn't think twice about booking with KLM via AMS, I was going to be a bar for the evening anyway so it didn't matter to me if it was the bar in the Irish Pub in AMS airport or the bar in the Holiday Inn DUS airport!
If connections are too much for SOU pax to bear then perhaps SOU needs direct flights to every point on the planet, please let me know when the SOU to Sydney, Australia service may be starting!
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Phileas Fogg, once again I agree with you. Every once in a while, maybe 3/4 months or so, Southampton's thread is revived and every time the same thing hapens. There is maybe one peice of news and that sparks a whole debate of "what-ifs?"I believe this is no different, which is fine but everybody (including myself!!) does get carried away from the reality of the situation!!
However, people are pointing out some obvious blanks or gaps in the market, ie more Spain/German/Scandinavian routes then currently offered. And with the economy slowly recovering and with Flybe investing millions more into the local economy, it could be very exciting to watch within the next year or so!(Did anyone read the article on Southampton in this month's Airliner World?It doesn't really mention anything about expansion other than Flybe)
However, people are pointing out some obvious blanks or gaps in the market, ie more Spain/German/Scandinavian routes then currently offered. And with the economy slowly recovering and with Flybe investing millions more into the local economy, it could be very exciting to watch within the next year or so!(Did anyone read the article on Southampton in this month's Airliner World?It doesn't really mention anything about expansion other than Flybe)