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now lets not throw our teddies out of the pram .........
yes I said well done , because airlines may announce new routes but isn't it through a joint venture between airport operator and airline to strike the best deal for the travelling public these days .
Isn't it about the right airports and routes for convenience and price ??
If any airline wants a pat on the back for launching any new route then it might as well fly from any grass strip , doesn't the infrastructure on the ground matter then , dont airports attract operators ??
Sorry but I'm a Blackpool Airport supporter , having flown out of Manchester for years the folks in the northwest have other alternative and friendlier departure points now and at attractive reduced costs !
yes I said well done , because airlines may announce new routes but isn't it through a joint venture between airport operator and airline to strike the best deal for the travelling public these days .
Isn't it about the right airports and routes for convenience and price ??
If any airline wants a pat on the back for launching any new route then it might as well fly from any grass strip , doesn't the infrastructure on the ground matter then , dont airports attract operators ??
Sorry but I'm a Blackpool Airport supporter , having flown out of Manchester for years the folks in the northwest have other alternative and friendlier departure points now and at attractive reduced costs !
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jet2 far?
yeah i agree with rufus i musch prefer flying from blackpool but as was said earlier are they putting all their eggs in one basket with jet2, they seemed to have steamrollered in with new routes to the expense of others, what with thomson , monarch and now the mighty ryanair cuttin the number of flights, at this rate they may as well paint that big tent red!!!! surely attracting a mix of charter and scheduled would be a better way to grow the business, just cant see how they can sustain growth relyin on one airline alone thats all.
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There has been a lot of talk of the reduction in the GRO service to 4 x weekly for IATA winter season. This is only for the winter and the service returns to daily for the IATA summer season next year.
The reason for the reduction is simply the route is much stronger in summer than winter, seasonal variation. Nothing to worry about, its just the way the business goes.
With regards to putting all the eggs in one basket, I will point out a few facts. Firstly, Ryanair operate 3 routes, Jet2 9. Yes, well done. However, in terms of volume, even next summer when Jet2 are operating up to 7 flights per day, Ryanair will still account for around 45% of the airports business, with Jet2 around 45% and the balance being Monarch and the Irish Sea Traffic.
So, hardly eggs in one basket, but a healthy mix between 2 well established and sustainable carriers. I would also point out that for many years LPL had around 80% EZY so in all I would say BLK is doing rather well!
The reason for the reduction is simply the route is much stronger in summer than winter, seasonal variation. Nothing to worry about, its just the way the business goes.
With regards to putting all the eggs in one basket, I will point out a few facts. Firstly, Ryanair operate 3 routes, Jet2 9. Yes, well done. However, in terms of volume, even next summer when Jet2 are operating up to 7 flights per day, Ryanair will still account for around 45% of the airports business, with Jet2 around 45% and the balance being Monarch and the Irish Sea Traffic.
So, hardly eggs in one basket, but a healthy mix between 2 well established and sustainable carriers. I would also point out that for many years LPL had around 80% EZY so in all I would say BLK is doing rather well!
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very vaild points cumbrian, to an outsider though it just seems that scheduled has pushed out what charter there was at blkpl, but fair play to the airport for gettin extra flights to new destinations, guess like everything all takes time to build on bigger and better hopefully
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The big problem any new regional airport has with charter is that charter is a shrinking market. I would class BLK as a new charter airport as historically it has never really had any serious charter capacity, other than a 26 week season with TUI and the odd newmarket here and there.
Charter is a notoriously difficult market for new entrants for a number of reasons:
1. The market is shrinking and in a total state of flux and not quite yet adapted to the low cost carriers who have stolen much of the bread and butter charter market
2. Distribution still relies heavily on the travel trade, and the travel trade are stuck in their ways. New services into BLK need such an enormous amount of 'push' to get them off the ground the cost of sale per seat makes BLK so anticompetitive against other established and much larger bases (such as MAN), that convincing atour operator to take the risk is tough
That said however, I do believe there is a substantial enough market at BLK for a charter operation, however I think the airport still needs to be more established than it is, as it relies on a large geographic catchment area, much of which is still unaware of the benefits the airport has to offer. For charter to truly work the public need to 'think blackpool' and ask for the flight, at the moment it relies on the trade offering the flight - and currently it is far easier to simply offer MAN as you have for the last 30 years.
Charter in my view (and I am happy to be proved wrong anytime soon) will develop but over time.
Charter is a notoriously difficult market for new entrants for a number of reasons:
1. The market is shrinking and in a total state of flux and not quite yet adapted to the low cost carriers who have stolen much of the bread and butter charter market
2. Distribution still relies heavily on the travel trade, and the travel trade are stuck in their ways. New services into BLK need such an enormous amount of 'push' to get them off the ground the cost of sale per seat makes BLK so anticompetitive against other established and much larger bases (such as MAN), that convincing atour operator to take the risk is tough
That said however, I do believe there is a substantial enough market at BLK for a charter operation, however I think the airport still needs to be more established than it is, as it relies on a large geographic catchment area, much of which is still unaware of the benefits the airport has to offer. For charter to truly work the public need to 'think blackpool' and ask for the flight, at the moment it relies on the trade offering the flight - and currently it is far easier to simply offer MAN as you have for the last 30 years.
Charter in my view (and I am happy to be proved wrong anytime soon) will develop but over time.
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A good, factual and well constructed post cumbrain.
As you and others have pointed out, it is not simply the airline who bring routes into the airport.
There was much concern about the future of the field once Blackpool Council sold out. I'd love to know what they did with the money aside from plugging their own pension fund - that's another thread.
The new owners have appointed a development guy who I believe works very hard with others in encouraging the likes of Jet2 to test the water.
From their initial reaction it seems that it must work - there can only be a limited time with any LoCo before they pull the plug. Every indication at present says that they are quite committed.
I believe that is why Ryanair have stayed committed to the route.
As for the traffic from other airlines, then surely that is a decision for them. I still fail to see the reasoning behind multiple flights between Blackpool and the IoM. That has been a death call for a few before.
I believe the field has more potential - yes, the tent for arrvals is interesting to say the least. But the fact is, the impoteus is there. It should therefore be encouraged.
Afterall, when are we likely to see a third LHR runway ?
Regional capacity has to be made available. I believe the way in which the Develoment Manager and the LoCo airlines are doing that with Blackpool at present should be highly commended.
As for LTNMAn - you clearly begrudge the fact that you have to come up here to visit your folks. Well we are all sorry that they chose to live on the Fylde coast and that it is such an inconvenice to you.
As you and others have pointed out, it is not simply the airline who bring routes into the airport.
There was much concern about the future of the field once Blackpool Council sold out. I'd love to know what they did with the money aside from plugging their own pension fund - that's another thread.
The new owners have appointed a development guy who I believe works very hard with others in encouraging the likes of Jet2 to test the water.
From their initial reaction it seems that it must work - there can only be a limited time with any LoCo before they pull the plug. Every indication at present says that they are quite committed.
I believe that is why Ryanair have stayed committed to the route.
As for the traffic from other airlines, then surely that is a decision for them. I still fail to see the reasoning behind multiple flights between Blackpool and the IoM. That has been a death call for a few before.
I believe the field has more potential - yes, the tent for arrvals is interesting to say the least. But the fact is, the impoteus is there. It should therefore be encouraged.
Afterall, when are we likely to see a third LHR runway ?
Regional capacity has to be made available. I believe the way in which the Develoment Manager and the LoCo airlines are doing that with Blackpool at present should be highly commended.
As for LTNMAn - you clearly begrudge the fact that you have to come up here to visit your folks. Well we are all sorry that they chose to live on the Fylde coast and that it is such an inconvenice to you.
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does anyone know if monarch are pulling out of blackpool after this winter, i would guess they would be with jet2 flying 5 times a week from next march, just a friend of mine travelled to majorca last week sayin the flight on jet2 was ok but plane was rather tatty
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[[QUOTE=take-off]does anyone know if monarch are pulling out of blackpool after this winter, i would guess they would be with jet2 flying 5 times a week from next march, just a friend of mine travelled to majorca last week sayin the flight on jet2 was ok but plane was rather tatty
No, but agp bookable until march.
Returned from pmi on tuesday on jet2 757 into man slight showing of age (bit like myself) went out on monarch A320 previous thursday,leather seats, paid for extra leg room,very nice.
Regards
No, but agp bookable until march.
Returned from pmi on tuesday on jet2 757 into man slight showing of age (bit like myself) went out on monarch A320 previous thursday,leather seats, paid for extra leg room,very nice.
Regards
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Would be a real shame if Monarch did decide to pull out of BLK. I did think when they pulled out of Newquay BLK would rapidly follow. It remains to be seen if the airport can sustain two carriers to Malaga. You might be inclined to say no with Air Europa's withdrawal as evidence. Does anyone have any evidence one way or the other?
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It was not aer europas decision to pull out of BLK but the tour operator, and the reasons for this stretch far beyond the fact Jet2 appeared on TFS, more to do with operational logistics and costs.
Why would Monarch pull out? If you look at where they operate, Manchester for example, they compete with Jet2, GB Airways, BmiBaby, Thomsonfly plus the charter ops of TCX, MYT, FCA etc etc etc.
Jet2 and Monarch are also very different carriers, and offer very different services and appeal to different markets, they complement each other very well.
In 2004, 205k passengers from BLK's catchment flew to Malaga, I am sure the airport can sustain 9 -10 flights per week.
There are no monarch services from any airport bookable beyond march so I rather feel that statement is void.
I do not know what Monarch's intentions are, but I would hazard a guess that they will operate the route - after all, why wouldn't they?
Why would Monarch pull out? If you look at where they operate, Manchester for example, they compete with Jet2, GB Airways, BmiBaby, Thomsonfly plus the charter ops of TCX, MYT, FCA etc etc etc.
Jet2 and Monarch are also very different carriers, and offer very different services and appeal to different markets, they complement each other very well.
In 2004, 205k passengers from BLK's catchment flew to Malaga, I am sure the airport can sustain 9 -10 flights per week.
There are no monarch services from any airport bookable beyond march so I rather feel that statement is void.
I do not know what Monarch's intentions are, but I would hazard a guess that they will operate the route - after all, why wouldn't they?
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There are no monarch services from any airport bookable beyond march so I rather feel that statement is void.
C/Boy
when i stated blk-agp was bookable in march,i was aware it was part of the winter sheds.
however monarch summer bhx 2007 is now bookable,as well as man -xry
this is a new service 3xper week (Jerez).
Regards
C/Boy
when i stated blk-agp was bookable in march,i was aware it was part of the winter sheds.
however monarch summer bhx 2007 is now bookable,as well as man -xry
this is a new service 3xper week (Jerez).
Regards
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I cannot believe people are upset that Blackpool is putting all its eggs in one basket by allowing or welcoming Jet 2. Blackpool would basically have nothing without them.
People used the same argument about 8 years ago when easyJet started from Liverpool saying that Liverpool had all is eggs in one basket. Again, Liverpool would have had nothing if it wasn't for easyJet. Look what has happened at Liverpool we now have two eggs in one basket!
Go Blackpool, and grow! even if it just with Jet 2 and a sprinking of Ryanair!
People used the same argument about 8 years ago when easyJet started from Liverpool saying that Liverpool had all is eggs in one basket. Again, Liverpool would have had nothing if it wasn't for easyJet. Look what has happened at Liverpool we now have two eggs in one basket!
Go Blackpool, and grow! even if it just with Jet 2 and a sprinking of Ryanair!
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Not sure. Website just says July 2006, but it looks far from finished.
This might be old news, but I believe Jet2 will be doing the Tenerife route with a 757. The terminal's gonna be mighty cosy Monday and Friday afternoons this autumn!
This might be old news, but I believe Jet2 will be doing the Tenerife route with a 757. The terminal's gonna be mighty cosy Monday and Friday afternoons this autumn!
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Ryanair and Blackpool
http://www.blackpooltoday.co.uk/View...icleID=1620719
Ryanair are very interested in connecting Blackpool to Poland.
I would imagine that when Ryanair do finally open a Polish base they will connect with Blackpool then.
(Unfortunately I doubt they'll base an aircraft in Blackpool in the near future.)
Ryanair are very interested in connecting Blackpool to Poland.
I would imagine that when Ryanair do finally open a Polish base they will connect with Blackpool then.
(Unfortunately I doubt they'll base an aircraft in Blackpool in the near future.)