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Hi Momentary Lapse,
Thankyou for your comments. BUT ... once again, despite saying you agree with comments to the contrary, you proceed to repeat your allegation that MAplc is operating in a racist and sexist manner, "Message versus behaviour," you conclude. May I say that it is your right to hold this opinion if you so wish, but if you intend to keep repeating this allegation in public then I urge you to present EVIDENCE that MAplc has promoted an unsuitable individual ahead of a better qualified candidate on the grounds of gender or race. If you have no such evidence then you should withdraw your allegation.
I note also that you insist on using titles such as "Reverend Spooner" and "The Fat Controller." Do you really think this is called for? It is disrespectful and tells the readers more about you than those to whom you refer with contempt. Please note that I would not expect either JS or GM to recognise me if they met me, so I do not defend them on the grounds of personal friendship. I simply believe that all deserve a level of respect in a public forum which you seem unwilling to demonstrate.
In your section on Runway 2 we find a new throwaway comment. "Shame the Fat Controller couldn't have been more imaginative during his period of presiding over waste and stagnation." Leaving aside the insulting tone of this remark, have you not noticed that MAN is the 45th busiest airport in the World and 11th busiest in Europe based on ACI's 2004 figures? Did you not see the 22,742,219 passengers who used the airport during 2005? How about the 150,649 tonnes of cargo and 234,824 flight movements? There are many capital city airports both in Europe and worldwide who would welcome "waste and stagnation" like this.
If you feel guilty about the results of the R2 project that is a personal matter and I respect your view. However, I do not feel guilty. I celebrate the massive environmental boost represented by the reduction in air holding (discussed in earlier posting) and the proliferation of wildlife on the South side of the airport. I support efforts to encourage airlines to use off-peak runway slots where viable, but ultimately they must accept that their business travellers aim to work 9-5 days and will not depart at 1400 and return at 0200 for a business trip. So peak times will always be there, and that MAN was saturated at peak times prior to the opening of R2 is well documented elsewhere if you care to check. With regards to the MAplc team being urged to discourage certain business at peak times ... well I'm not sure they would see that as something they are employed to do! The expansion of air services from the region has brought many benefits and certain costs too; you clearly believe that the latter outweigh the former, others believe the opposite to be true. That is a subjective matter and we must all recognise that opinion on it will vary.
Finally, I always welcome reasoned debate, but may I urge you if you respond again to refrain from use of insulting titles for specified individuals, and to avoid unsupported use of slurs such as "rape of the countryside", "presiding over waste and stagnation", and yet again an attack on the racial and gender composition of MAplc's senior executive team. If you have evidence that they have rejected a candidate on grounds of race or gender, state your evidence. Otherwise withdraw your slur which you have now posted twice.
Thankyou for your understanding. SHED.
Thankyou for your comments. BUT ... once again, despite saying you agree with comments to the contrary, you proceed to repeat your allegation that MAplc is operating in a racist and sexist manner, "Message versus behaviour," you conclude. May I say that it is your right to hold this opinion if you so wish, but if you intend to keep repeating this allegation in public then I urge you to present EVIDENCE that MAplc has promoted an unsuitable individual ahead of a better qualified candidate on the grounds of gender or race. If you have no such evidence then you should withdraw your allegation.
I note also that you insist on using titles such as "Reverend Spooner" and "The Fat Controller." Do you really think this is called for? It is disrespectful and tells the readers more about you than those to whom you refer with contempt. Please note that I would not expect either JS or GM to recognise me if they met me, so I do not defend them on the grounds of personal friendship. I simply believe that all deserve a level of respect in a public forum which you seem unwilling to demonstrate.
In your section on Runway 2 we find a new throwaway comment. "Shame the Fat Controller couldn't have been more imaginative during his period of presiding over waste and stagnation." Leaving aside the insulting tone of this remark, have you not noticed that MAN is the 45th busiest airport in the World and 11th busiest in Europe based on ACI's 2004 figures? Did you not see the 22,742,219 passengers who used the airport during 2005? How about the 150,649 tonnes of cargo and 234,824 flight movements? There are many capital city airports both in Europe and worldwide who would welcome "waste and stagnation" like this.
If you feel guilty about the results of the R2 project that is a personal matter and I respect your view. However, I do not feel guilty. I celebrate the massive environmental boost represented by the reduction in air holding (discussed in earlier posting) and the proliferation of wildlife on the South side of the airport. I support efforts to encourage airlines to use off-peak runway slots where viable, but ultimately they must accept that their business travellers aim to work 9-5 days and will not depart at 1400 and return at 0200 for a business trip. So peak times will always be there, and that MAN was saturated at peak times prior to the opening of R2 is well documented elsewhere if you care to check. With regards to the MAplc team being urged to discourage certain business at peak times ... well I'm not sure they would see that as something they are employed to do! The expansion of air services from the region has brought many benefits and certain costs too; you clearly believe that the latter outweigh the former, others believe the opposite to be true. That is a subjective matter and we must all recognise that opinion on it will vary.
Finally, I always welcome reasoned debate, but may I urge you if you respond again to refrain from use of insulting titles for specified individuals, and to avoid unsupported use of slurs such as "rape of the countryside", "presiding over waste and stagnation", and yet again an attack on the racial and gender composition of MAplc's senior executive team. If you have evidence that they have rejected a candidate on grounds of race or gender, state your evidence. Otherwise withdraw your slur which you have now posted twice.
Thankyou for your understanding. SHED.
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Originally Posted by Shed-on-a-Pole
If you have evidence that they have rejected a candidate on grounds of race or gender, state your evidence.
Counter to this I present exhibit A, Rowena Burns, Group Commercial Director.
On a mischevious note I know of 2 non-white persons who have joined MAG in relatively senior management positions and then left within a year...
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I am not being racist or sexist. I am merely stating that the MA Group has set targets on MA and all the other subsidiaries to meet certain targets for ethnicity, gender and disability based on the %ages of the residents and thus potential workforce across Grtr Manchester. Fine. However, when Mr Spooner had the opportunity to recruit or replace almost his entire senior management team over a period of a few years, he failed to advance any of those targets. I don't doubt that all the people he employed are perfectly capable and may well be the best people for their respective roles, however Mr Spooner missed the opportunity to demonstrate his commitment to meeting the Group-wide targets. I agree though that it would have been inappropriate to employ a person who wasn't the best candidate just to meet the targets. That's the problem with targets. Mr Spooner should not have exhorted his staff to meet the targets when he didn't demonstrate that behaviour himself.
Please understand the important difference between Mr Spooner's MA, MAAS under David Teale, MA Group under Mr Muirhead and Ms Burns etc. My comments are specifically applicable to MA, not to the rest of the divisions or to MA Group.
Speaking of Ms Burns, she is not employed within MA but within MA Group and therefore not in Mr Spooner's division's control. I would state that other parts of the Group, particularly "Group" and MAAS, are somewhat more enthusiastic about those targets in particular, and indeed Group targets generally. Mr Spooner was always rather ambivalent (at best) about meeting "Group"'s objectives.
I call Mr Spooner the Reverend here in a satirical manner reflecting his verbal style to his staff. Those who have heard him speak may know what I mean. Mr Muirhead CBE is well known as the fat controller around the airport, on the grounds that he is a) well built and b) in charge of the place. A rather obvious epithet wouldn't you say? However I note your sensitivities and will try to behave in future posts
BTW I wouldn't dare give Ms Burns a nickname. In fact no-one does. There's power and respect for you!
Re waste and stagnation: If you plot the key indicators against time, you will probably see that they all go the wrong way during the second half of the 90s. Then they improve from 2001 onwards. For instance, profit per passenger, passenger growth % year on year, employees per passenger etc.
Let's leave it there eh?
I am not being racist or sexist. I am merely stating that the MA Group has set targets on MA and all the other subsidiaries to meet certain targets for ethnicity, gender and disability based on the %ages of the residents and thus potential workforce across Grtr Manchester. Fine. However, when Mr Spooner had the opportunity to recruit or replace almost his entire senior management team over a period of a few years, he failed to advance any of those targets. I don't doubt that all the people he employed are perfectly capable and may well be the best people for their respective roles, however Mr Spooner missed the opportunity to demonstrate his commitment to meeting the Group-wide targets. I agree though that it would have been inappropriate to employ a person who wasn't the best candidate just to meet the targets. That's the problem with targets. Mr Spooner should not have exhorted his staff to meet the targets when he didn't demonstrate that behaviour himself.
Please understand the important difference between Mr Spooner's MA, MAAS under David Teale, MA Group under Mr Muirhead and Ms Burns etc. My comments are specifically applicable to MA, not to the rest of the divisions or to MA Group.
Speaking of Ms Burns, she is not employed within MA but within MA Group and therefore not in Mr Spooner's division's control. I would state that other parts of the Group, particularly "Group" and MAAS, are somewhat more enthusiastic about those targets in particular, and indeed Group targets generally. Mr Spooner was always rather ambivalent (at best) about meeting "Group"'s objectives.
I call Mr Spooner the Reverend here in a satirical manner reflecting his verbal style to his staff. Those who have heard him speak may know what I mean. Mr Muirhead CBE is well known as the fat controller around the airport, on the grounds that he is a) well built and b) in charge of the place. A rather obvious epithet wouldn't you say? However I note your sensitivities and will try to behave in future posts
BTW I wouldn't dare give Ms Burns a nickname. In fact no-one does. There's power and respect for you!Re waste and stagnation: If you plot the key indicators against time, you will probably see that they all go the wrong way during the second half of the 90s. Then they improve from 2001 onwards. For instance, profit per passenger, passenger growth % year on year, employees per passenger etc.
Let's leave it there eh?
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What Auelad was refering to was the fact that I had already posted the announcement of the Aer Arann service in this thread at 1746 on Thursday 16th.
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Movements Up/Down?
Originally Posted by chiglet
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A/c movements were DOWN 4pc for Jan
watp,iktch
A/c movements were DOWN 4pc for Jan
watp,iktch
Slightly confused with your posting as I have just been looking at the (provisional) figures given on the CAA site for January.
These show monthly movements at 15819, up 0.5pc, and the yearly movements as 218069 which is an increase of 4pc.
Passengers figures are down for January by 0.2pc at 1331943, although the yearly figure is up 4.8pc at 22080993.
Certainly seems to be rather a difference between -4 and +0.5pc?
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Going back to UFGBOY's 14 Feb posting, we are still waiting for someone to answer the question Was Spooner pushed or did he jump. The tone of the testemonial from Geoff M would suggest the latter, and the bit about spending more time with the family, although laudable ,sounds a bit hollow
Can someone with access to the MAN intranet tell us if anyone has hazarded a comment?
I think we should be told...
Can someone with access to the MAN intranet tell us if anyone has hazarded a comment?
I think we should be told...
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Apparently Geoff Muirhead sent an email to all MA Group staff, which someone has kindly forwarded on to me. It included the following comment:
John Spooner has been considering his future for some time and has decided to that now is an opportune time to leave MAG and pursue other interests outside the Group.
No "thanks" or "well done" from Geoff, so I'd say he was pushed.
At least one grammatical mistake too. Tut tut Mr PR man that probably wrote this.
John Spooner has been considering his future for some time and has decided to that now is an opportune time to leave MAG and pursue other interests outside the Group.
No "thanks" or "well done" from Geoff, so I'd say he was pushed.
At least one grammatical mistake too. Tut tut Mr PR man that probably wrote this.
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I guess Eastern will struggle on this one too?
As Eastern had some pretty good slots for its STN route, and a based aircraft, i'd have thought a 3*daily Newcastle route would do ok.
Also according to the AA website the BOS route will finish this year on 12/12/06 for its winter break, did it perform badly over xmas?
As Eastern had some pretty good slots for its STN route, and a based aircraft, i'd have thought a 3*daily Newcastle route would do ok.
Also according to the AA website the BOS route will finish this year on 12/12/06 for its winter break, did it perform badly over xmas?