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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was working on the ramp last night and could not believe how busy EGCC is now especially around the 17:00 - 19:00 mark. It looks like a summers day with all the Jet2s, Baby's etc taxiing in and out. I'm beginning to wonder what the summer is going to be like.
The 8 years I've been there, I've never known it so busy.
Anyone got any hard figures to compare with last year
The 8 years I've been there, I've never known it so busy.
Anyone got any hard figures to compare with last year
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Eastern Airways - Stansted
Regret to have to say that today is the last day for the Manchester/Stansted service. It would appear that the presence of Air Berlin on the route has been too strong for them.
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Originally Posted by MancRy
GB are looking at alternative destinations and heard from a good source that SVO has been mentioned. Kid you not.
Well great but how does that fit with the plan to go loco?
Moscow ('twould be DME not SVO for BA) is a business oriented destination not really leisure.
If you're taking out the C Class seats, there's not much point doing MAN to Moscow.
Will someone not do this route? Money to be made - really.
By the way, as far as I know by asking people in Moscow, the objector is Transaero.
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Gloom and Doom in Olympic House
I understand all is not well at MAPlc.The Dec/Jan pax figures were below expectations. The '' shareholders'' are asking questions and the answer was
''Liverpool,Leeds and Finningly are all begining to to have an impact''.
A further question was raised as to why the airport still hav'nt secured RYR/EZY after it was given TOP priority to see a far larger LOCO presence..... apparently there was no ''decent'' answer .........
''Liverpool,Leeds and Finningly are all begining to to have an impact''.
A further question was raised as to why the airport still hav'nt secured RYR/EZY after it was given TOP priority to see a far larger LOCO presence..... apparently there was no ''decent'' answer .........
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So having spent god knows how much on a 2nd runway, the "TOP" priority of MAPLC is to steal the best customer of an airport a few miles down the road that is obviously more than adequately serving the North West market for certain routes. Unbelievable. Why don't they accept the fact that people across the North have other alternatives now for low cost services and MAN will not have the sort of mononoply on these flights as it historically has had with charter. People will still travel over to MAN for long-haul and the like, so shouldn't growing this side of its business be "top" priortiy instead of trying to eliminate successful businesses in Leeds, L'Pool and Donny?
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Was speaking to some GT cbin crew today and hey had also heard that GT were possibly looking at a twice weekly MAN to Moscow service. I asked them if they were going lo-co and they said it was nonsense and that C cabin was staying on their routes.
Sounds like they;d need anoter aircraft at MAN in order to operate another service to Moscow though surely?
Sounds like they;d need anoter aircraft at MAN in order to operate another service to Moscow though surely?
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Originally Posted by Vuelo
Was speaking to some GT cbin crew today and hey had also heard that GT were possibly looking at a twice weekly MAN to Moscow service. I asked them if they were going lo-co and they said it was nonsense and that C cabin was staying on their routes.
Sounds like they;d need anoter aircraft at MAN in order to operate another service to Moscow though surely?
Sounds like they;d need anoter aircraft at MAN in order to operate another service to Moscow though surely?
Nah - twice weekly won't work. Would really need to be 4-5 times to pick up most of the business traffic.
To the astonishment of some airlines, us passengers won't delay our (particularly return) trips by a couple of days to wait for a non stop flight.
If they're keeping the C Cabin great - just need some C routes and Moscow is a classic.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, MAplc won't be satisfied until they have the lot, this is the same Airport that years ago knocked back Easyjet, and now would do anything they can to rip the backbone out of an airport that has thrived on the lo-co ticket over the last few years.
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I reckon we'll see some kind of EZY or FR presence at MAN by the summer, I just have a sneaky feeling that something is in the pipeline!
I reckon the following would do well:
Ryanair
Gdansk
Friedericshafen
Oslo
Tampere
Charleroi
Easyjet
Barcelona
Lisbon
Milan
Berlin
Newcastle
Olbia
I reckon the following would do well:
Ryanair
Gdansk
Friedericshafen
Oslo
Tampere
Charleroi
Easyjet
Barcelona
Lisbon
Milan
Berlin
Newcastle
Olbia
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No problem with that. Just a 'me too' route.
Why do airlines jump into the most competitive routes imaginable where people will change carrier for the sake of saving 50p - where's the commercial sense in that?
Part of the Ryanair success is not just the marketing genius but also the fact that they put on truely innovative routes with virtually no competition - can you imagine Ryanair with all their business acumen jumping into Manchester - Alicante or Gatwick to Malaga?
Why do airlines jump into the most competitive routes imaginable where people will change carrier for the sake of saving 50p - where's the commercial sense in that?
Part of the Ryanair success is not just the marketing genius but also the fact that they put on truely innovative routes with virtually no competition - can you imagine Ryanair with all their business acumen jumping into Manchester - Alicante or Gatwick to Malaga?
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A couple of years back MAN enjoyed unexpectedly quick growth when Baby and then Jet2 did better than expected, or "budgetted" for.
So at the next business plan stage, rather than acknowledge that they'd had two years' growth in one year, and that therefore the next year's growth would be minimal, the Board decided "ey up Geoff, we'll have more of that, dornt ya knor lad" without even removing their cloth caps or putting down their egg pies or finishing their pints of mild served in glasses with handles.
Geoff Muirhead brushed the crumbs off his C&A suit and turned to John Spooner and said "way ay lad, tha can manage that, cahnt tha?"
The Reverend John Spooner turned to his frazzled disciples and spake "my team, thy will do as the fat man sayeth, thy will worketh 25 hrs a day, 8 days a week, and of course thy will do it for fewer sheckles than last year."
Amen.
Quelle surprise, whoever wrote the business plan, with the benefit of knowing what he was talking about, was correct. Doh.
So at the next business plan stage, rather than acknowledge that they'd had two years' growth in one year, and that therefore the next year's growth would be minimal, the Board decided "ey up Geoff, we'll have more of that, dornt ya knor lad" without even removing their cloth caps or putting down their egg pies or finishing their pints of mild served in glasses with handles.
Geoff Muirhead brushed the crumbs off his C&A suit and turned to John Spooner and said "way ay lad, tha can manage that, cahnt tha?"
The Reverend John Spooner turned to his frazzled disciples and spake "my team, thy will do as the fat man sayeth, thy will worketh 25 hrs a day, 8 days a week, and of course thy will do it for fewer sheckles than last year."
Amen.
Quelle surprise, whoever wrote the business plan, with the benefit of knowing what he was talking about, was correct. Doh.
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Snap, Crackle & Pop !!
Thank heavans for that, only very marginal growth in prospect --- Hoorahhhhhh!!! Why so happy? Have you seen the state of the airfield recently? MAplc are now reaping the rewards of very poor operational decisions in past years from what was a totally inept operations department ( now fixed I hope). It was considered better to spend millions on re-furbishment of terminals to the detriment of the airfield infrastructure. which you will see is breaking apart all over the place. Steel plates here, steel plates there, the hot-pour team on 24 hour standby (have to order a bigger boiler). Even the 'New' bits are breaking up. I hear Link Delta crossing point will have to be completely dug-up again in the not too distant future !
Putting it bluntly, the airfield couldn't cope with any increase in movements because their isn't the capacity to cope with it. You can regularly see a queue of INBOUND traffic waiting patiently on taxiways for either their stand to be vacated, or just can't get near a stand because of taxiway congestion.
The other morning we landed and had to wait 19 minutes before being gated, and then it was onto a bus !!!
When BA City Express ( or Connect now) cut back thier services wholesale, I reckon this 'Saved' the airport from a totally embarasing situation of not being able to cope with regular traffic levels at certain times of the day.
Until proper re-investments come on line, and more Peak-time slots can be offered, Manchester may be approaching its growth limit. Shame really when it definitely used to be top of the league for forward planning. The " Fat Controller " has a lot to answer for !!
P.S. The Cargo manager seems to be doing an excellent job. Heard the other day that Air China Cargo are to start in July 3 x weekly to PVG, and MNG Cargo 3 x weekly to IST by the end of March
All we need now is a 'Johnson Air Cargo ' or African Int. DC-8 service and I'd start to emerge from my depression. 
Putting it bluntly, the airfield couldn't cope with any increase in movements because their isn't the capacity to cope with it. You can regularly see a queue of INBOUND traffic waiting patiently on taxiways for either their stand to be vacated, or just can't get near a stand because of taxiway congestion.
The other morning we landed and had to wait 19 minutes before being gated, and then it was onto a bus !!!
When BA City Express ( or Connect now) cut back thier services wholesale, I reckon this 'Saved' the airport from a totally embarasing situation of not being able to cope with regular traffic levels at certain times of the day.
Until proper re-investments come on line, and more Peak-time slots can be offered, Manchester may be approaching its growth limit. Shame really when it definitely used to be top of the league for forward planning. The " Fat Controller " has a lot to answer for !!
P.S. The Cargo manager seems to be doing an excellent job. Heard the other day that Air China Cargo are to start in July 3 x weekly to PVG, and MNG Cargo 3 x weekly to IST by the end of March
All we need now is a 'Johnson Air Cargo ' or African Int. DC-8 service and I'd start to emerge from my depression.
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Don't always agree with what you have to say Adola69, but on this occasion I support your comments whole-heartedly.
Whilst I appreciate that, from a management perspective, there will always be a chicken-and-egg situation when it comes to development (will we won't we) there appears to have been too long a period when certain work has beome overdue.
The classic example is the nightmare that has existed for so long with the taxiway around the end of pier C. We all realise that something has need to be done on a permenant basis to make this a dual taxiway, rather than the bottleneck that it is at the moment and yet the airport has refused to put it's money into the project.
I am sure that there are those who will say that 'because I work outside of the airport and direct industry, I do not know what I am talking about', and that is possibly true; however I do keep my ear to the ground and listen to what is going on and I am sure that the general consensus is that the airport's upper echelon has lost the plot.
By the way, I have also heard the same with regards to Air China and MNG - at least, as yoiu say, cargo seem to be doing ok.
Scottie Dog
Whilst I appreciate that, from a management perspective, there will always be a chicken-and-egg situation when it comes to development (will we won't we) there appears to have been too long a period when certain work has beome overdue.
The classic example is the nightmare that has existed for so long with the taxiway around the end of pier C. We all realise that something has need to be done on a permenant basis to make this a dual taxiway, rather than the bottleneck that it is at the moment and yet the airport has refused to put it's money into the project.
I am sure that there are those who will say that 'because I work outside of the airport and direct industry, I do not know what I am talking about', and that is possibly true; however I do keep my ear to the ground and listen to what is going on and I am sure that the general consensus is that the airport's upper echelon has lost the plot.
By the way, I have also heard the same with regards to Air China and MNG - at least, as yoiu say, cargo seem to be doing ok.
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Originally Posted by spannersatcx
BA being a oneworld partner have no objections to CX operating the route, the problem is alleged to be BMI.
but if the Russians don't allow bmi to fly from London to Moscow (I believe they only have BA and Virgin designated), even though the UK Govt said bmi can fly, then why should they be happy about a Russian carrier doing something that they aren't allowed too, ie codeshare on fifths???
I can only assume that that is the problem.
And I find it funny that an employee of MAN should be allowed to have a go at bmi when they have been a constant at the airport through LHR, longhaul, regional and BMI baby flights. You wouldn't find them doing the same if it were BA or Virgin..........