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Boeing bought some A340's from Singapore Airlines as part of a deal for them to buy Boeing aircraft. They where leased out to other airlines by Boeing Capital but Im not sure if Boeing Capital still own them or have sold them on
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All the SQ 340s were placed by Boeing with Emirates, Etihad, Gulf and China Airlines.
Three SQ 310s also went to Boeing, two are with Air India and one was scrapped.
EI 340s might be ex AC but if they go to EI it will probably be via Boeing after the 777s arrive (late 2006-early 2007) since AC has been scraping around everywhere to find 340s and 767s - it's doubtful there are any "spares" when AC searched high and low for the ones they have now.
Three SQ 310s also went to Boeing, two are with Air India and one was scrapped.
EI 340s might be ex AC but if they go to EI it will probably be via Boeing after the 777s arrive (late 2006-early 2007) since AC has been scraping around everywhere to find 340s and 767s - it's doubtful there are any "spares" when AC searched high and low for the ones they have now.
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The rumor about EI going to SFO and MIA seems to be solid enough as the whispers have all ready reached good ol' Cork so it must be true! However, the other route that was mentioned was not DFW but PHL so there appears to be a bit of confusion in that matter. Needs a shorter range aeroplane so may be easier to put together in the short term?
If a deal was struck with Boeing for the 787 would there be any sense in Boeing offering some new build 767-400s in the interim for the new routes expansion? Only asking, mind! Not wanting to be accused of being on the Xmas sauce again!
Not into the A vs B debate which tends to get a little hysterical but if Airbus thought they were to lose out to the 787 at EI they may well go for broke and offer the deal of the century to shift the A350? Guess the same could be said for Boeing, of course!
All those composites, though. Hmmm, those aeroplanes will need some serious minding on the ground? Whatever airframe is chosen for EI hope they can get in and out of Cork! As may be guessed that is my bottom line!
Recently, someone above asked a good question and it has been going around in my head quite a bit. More of the Xmas sauce! When Cork Airport's new terminal is eventually brought into use sometime next year can an Airbus A330 park nose in to the gate with the sole airbridge? Not that Cork will be getting too many visits and anyway I am only asking, mind!
If a deal was struck with Boeing for the 787 would there be any sense in Boeing offering some new build 767-400s in the interim for the new routes expansion? Only asking, mind! Not wanting to be accused of being on the Xmas sauce again!
Not into the A vs B debate which tends to get a little hysterical but if Airbus thought they were to lose out to the 787 at EI they may well go for broke and offer the deal of the century to shift the A350? Guess the same could be said for Boeing, of course!
All those composites, though. Hmmm, those aeroplanes will need some serious minding on the ground? Whatever airframe is chosen for EI hope they can get in and out of Cork! As may be guessed that is my bottom line!
Recently, someone above asked a good question and it has been going around in my head quite a bit. More of the Xmas sauce! When Cork Airport's new terminal is eventually brought into use sometime next year can an Airbus A330 park nose in to the gate with the sole airbridge? Not that Cork will be getting too many visits and anyway I am only asking, mind!
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Does anyone know if the 7000 ft runway at Cork is sufficient for either the 787 or the A350 to do a Cork-New York service without weight restrictions?
Currently, I think only the 757 can do it.
Currently, I think only the 757 can do it.
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A330 would have large load restrictions ex ORK. But it could go to JFK, BOS. ORD would be massive restrictions. A330 has done ops ex ORK on sun charters. 787 and A350 are not usable on the runway at ORK to USA except with large payload restrictions. CAT III is next to impossible with landfall at ORK.
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Aerlingus Cargo facilities at Cork are minimal and they truck all of it to SNN and DUB. The critical factor would be whether an A330 could take a full compliment of pax to JFK or BOS as freight would probably be a non issue in the short term.
If a transatlantic service was established the case for a runway extension would be very strong. As it stands its very hard to justify as there are no restrictions on any existing scheduled or charter flights with the possible exception of the HEMUS TU154's operating to Bourgas and Varna.
I heard that reps from the Cork Board held a meeting today with the Dept.of Transport.
The financial situation has to be clarified. If Cork is saddled with the full 163million euro debt, we can forget about any additional expenditure for the forseeable future i.e. the next decade.
If a transatlantic service was established the case for a runway extension would be very strong. As it stands its very hard to justify as there are no restrictions on any existing scheduled or charter flights with the possible exception of the HEMUS TU154's operating to Bourgas and Varna.
I heard that reps from the Cork Board held a meeting today with the Dept.of Transport.
The financial situation has to be clarified. If Cork is saddled with the full 163million euro debt, we can forget about any additional expenditure for the forseeable future i.e. the next decade.
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DFW, PHL, or wherever - any large U.S. metropolis will do? PHL has the attraction of all ready been softened up by the U S Airways service over the past few summers so easy pickings there? A no brainer really!
For the same kind of reason is it hard to ever see any U.S. airline with 757s ever being brave enough to try New York to Cork? If they did it would just make it easier for Aer Lingus to arrive a little later and hover up all the business? However, if Mr Mannion has been got at by the midwest Mafia to commit to a future there would EI want to consider Cork for a transatlantic service?
Sure, you cannot compare like with like exactly but the NCL runway is at 7,642 feet and for the coming summer season Monarch are operating A330 flights from there to Orlando SFB at 4,219 miles distant whilst ORK-JFK is at 3,112 miles distance. The Aircraft Classification Numbers appear just to be within limits for a Cork - North East Corridor USA Airbus A330 type operation in theory but how might it be from a factural, technical view point of view?
Now, if EI were to lease a pair of 757s for ORK and snn operations the picture would be totally different.
Well, if representatives from the Cork board had meetings today with the Dept of Transport it sounds like it must have been urgent enough? To be doing any kind of business at all between Christmas and New Year is unusual. Guess the Euro 163 million debt must have been focusing the mind a bit over the Christmas dinner and causing some indigestion?
If that now transformed lovable rogue, Mr Liam Lawlor, was still alive he would be shoutin' out at the top of his voice - Mr Chairman, Try the Gaviscon! It always worked for me, Mr Chairman!
For the same kind of reason is it hard to ever see any U.S. airline with 757s ever being brave enough to try New York to Cork? If they did it would just make it easier for Aer Lingus to arrive a little later and hover up all the business? However, if Mr Mannion has been got at by the midwest Mafia to commit to a future there would EI want to consider Cork for a transatlantic service?
Sure, you cannot compare like with like exactly but the NCL runway is at 7,642 feet and for the coming summer season Monarch are operating A330 flights from there to Orlando SFB at 4,219 miles distant whilst ORK-JFK is at 3,112 miles distance. The Aircraft Classification Numbers appear just to be within limits for a Cork - North East Corridor USA Airbus A330 type operation in theory but how might it be from a factural, technical view point of view?
Now, if EI were to lease a pair of 757s for ORK and snn operations the picture would be totally different.
Well, if representatives from the Cork board had meetings today with the Dept of Transport it sounds like it must have been urgent enough? To be doing any kind of business at all between Christmas and New Year is unusual. Guess the Euro 163 million debt must have been focusing the mind a bit over the Christmas dinner and causing some indigestion?
If that now transformed lovable rogue, Mr Liam Lawlor, was still alive he would be shoutin' out at the top of his voice - Mr Chairman, Try the Gaviscon! It always worked for me, Mr Chairman!
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I dont think we can expect any movement on ANY new routes out of Cork untill;
A) The debt situation is sorted out(just saddle DUB with it cause they decided we were to have a 'Gold-Plated Tash-ma-Hal' MOLs words.
B) The new terminal is actually opened.
The runway issue is a bit of chicken and egg issue, there will have to be some strongly performing t/a ops out of EICK before the runway is extended, and the taxi-way is constructed. Wont be holding my breath!
EIs selection of long haul type will also be crucial, as I already said. I dunno bout this, but isnt the 787 ment to replace the 757, and if so can we expect such a strong perfomer(RANGE/RUNWAY/PAYLOAD)? I know TOM, etc are moaning that they have no real 757 replacement?
If EI do go Boeing hey have plenty 757s lying around, which could make sense for EI to LHR/TFS/ACE, etc, and of course t/a from ORK/SNN/??BFS??
A) The debt situation is sorted out(just saddle DUB with it cause they decided we were to have a 'Gold-Plated Tash-ma-Hal' MOLs words.
B) The new terminal is actually opened.
The runway issue is a bit of chicken and egg issue, there will have to be some strongly performing t/a ops out of EICK before the runway is extended, and the taxi-way is constructed. Wont be holding my breath!
EIs selection of long haul type will also be crucial, as I already said. I dunno bout this, but isnt the 787 ment to replace the 757, and if so can we expect such a strong perfomer(RANGE/RUNWAY/PAYLOAD)? I know TOM, etc are moaning that they have no real 757 replacement?
If EI do go Boeing hey have plenty 757s lying around, which could make sense for EI to LHR/TFS/ACE, etc, and of course t/a from ORK/SNN/??BFS??
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Well, in the absense of enough cash to fund supports for new routes Cork had better make a New Year's resolution to hold on to the business she is due to have come next summer. To that end securing the future of the fourth EI A320 for winter/spring 06/07 operations must be given all the support it deserves.
Yes, it must be acknowledged too that for many years EI chose to all but ignore Cork but at last they are making amends in a big way and top marks for that. What Cork must think carefully about is how much she wants to throw in her lot with Michael O'Leary. Mr O'Leary is charismatic and volatile at the same time. Ryanair have a substantially supported operation from snn so it is my opinion that the Ryanair operation from Cork will remain a half hearted effort.
Gatwick was started by Ryanair for no other reason than to get at easyJet. Ryanair's half heartedness for Cork may be further demonstrated by the upcoming ending of the midday FR903/4 from Stansted. This is a very solidly performing service and it's dropping is bad faith by Ryanair as the closely timed Stansted and Gatwick are both performing well on most days so why give it up?
When Cork and her board and management rushed in to it's new relationship with Ryanair how prepared were they for this kind of body blow? Did Cork jump the gun too soon with Ryanair?
It is a credit to easyJet to stick with Cork so much in the new circumstances of such competition on Gatwick. Is Cork Airport and her board and management appreciative enough of the business she is receiving from easyJet? Since the Ryanair LGW operation began has easyJet been courted by Cork to the same degree as Mr O'Leary and company and if not, why not? easyJet are just as deserving of all necessary supports from Cork as Ryanair.
The runway at Cork will remain an issue and is very much a chicken and egg situation, yes. Now, governments are usually pragmatic enough when it is necessary. Now, if Minister Cullen can get involved with EI to get them to lease a pair of 757s for Cork/snn and maybe Mr Mannion can get on to his old pals at EK I am sure the lease of one/two A330s could be arranged for new ops out of Dublin as EK are due so many delieveries of new 777s etc. EI flying 757s out of Cork for new Atlantic operations quickly ends the need for extra runway? Just my tuppence worth and maybe my musings are away off the mark but, heck, we got to keep plugging away, don't we!
Yes, it must be acknowledged too that for many years EI chose to all but ignore Cork but at last they are making amends in a big way and top marks for that. What Cork must think carefully about is how much she wants to throw in her lot with Michael O'Leary. Mr O'Leary is charismatic and volatile at the same time. Ryanair have a substantially supported operation from snn so it is my opinion that the Ryanair operation from Cork will remain a half hearted effort.
Gatwick was started by Ryanair for no other reason than to get at easyJet. Ryanair's half heartedness for Cork may be further demonstrated by the upcoming ending of the midday FR903/4 from Stansted. This is a very solidly performing service and it's dropping is bad faith by Ryanair as the closely timed Stansted and Gatwick are both performing well on most days so why give it up?
When Cork and her board and management rushed in to it's new relationship with Ryanair how prepared were they for this kind of body blow? Did Cork jump the gun too soon with Ryanair?
It is a credit to easyJet to stick with Cork so much in the new circumstances of such competition on Gatwick. Is Cork Airport and her board and management appreciative enough of the business she is receiving from easyJet? Since the Ryanair LGW operation began has easyJet been courted by Cork to the same degree as Mr O'Leary and company and if not, why not? easyJet are just as deserving of all necessary supports from Cork as Ryanair.
The runway at Cork will remain an issue and is very much a chicken and egg situation, yes. Now, governments are usually pragmatic enough when it is necessary. Now, if Minister Cullen can get involved with EI to get them to lease a pair of 757s for Cork/snn and maybe Mr Mannion can get on to his old pals at EK I am sure the lease of one/two A330s could be arranged for new ops out of Dublin as EK are due so many delieveries of new 777s etc. EI flying 757s out of Cork for new Atlantic operations quickly ends the need for extra runway? Just my tuppence worth and maybe my musings are away off the mark but, heck, we got to keep plugging away, don't we!
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The withdrawal of the FR903/4 should ease the pressure on the other London flights and increase the yields as well.
Its amazing that we have 13 flights per day on Cork London compared to 6 per day last year and yet EI have increased the numbers travelling on LHR during November and December with very little increase in capacity.
A great achievement and it shows that the ORK LHR market can withstand the low fares onslaught.
I also heard that many pax are travelling From Cork to Dublin by Ryanair and are returning by RE or by train due to the fact that the last FR Departure is at 1755. An extra DUB ORK around 2000 would do extremely well and would increase the numbers travelling by air.
Its amazing that we have 13 flights per day on Cork London compared to 6 per day last year and yet EI have increased the numbers travelling on LHR during November and December with very little increase in capacity.
A great achievement and it shows that the ORK LHR market can withstand the low fares onslaught.
I also heard that many pax are travelling From Cork to Dublin by Ryanair and are returning by RE or by train due to the fact that the last FR Departure is at 1755. An extra DUB ORK around 2000 would do extremely well and would increase the numbers travelling by air.
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TOT the reason for the dropping of the 903/4 is because of a shortage of pilots for the next 3 months. this is due to the fact that alot of pilots have reached their max hours for the year.
Cork is not the only destination that they reduced the frequency. Rumour has it that 400 flights will be cancelled.
Cork is not the only destination that they reduced the frequency. Rumour has it that 400 flights will be cancelled.
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Tom...757s with AL is pie in the sky...period. It wont happen me thinks.
AL rumour network is to be prepared to be operational on MIA/DALLAS/SFO/PHL mid 2006. Another load of cobblers unless they are imminently going to announce new planes and a big recruitment scheme.
AL rumour network is to be prepared to be operational on MIA/DALLAS/SFO/PHL mid 2006. Another load of cobblers unless they are imminently going to announce new planes and a big recruitment scheme.
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ORK pilot, if you check the FR timetable for after 11th January you will find the new STN-Nantes flight is scheduled out at the exact time of the FR903/4 rotation so there does not appear to be much of a pilot shortage there, anyway? No doubt FR are being softened up by NTE with all kinds of supports to begin the new flight making it a more attractive proposition than Cork? Just hope Cork Airport thought about that before they cosied up to Mr O'Leary, Mr Cawley etc. By my reckoning Cork could be in line to lose at least 100,000 passengers a year due to the loss of FR903/4. An airport with a debt of 163 million euro for a new terminal and some of those crazy new roads and road signs can hardly afford to lose out on that kind of business. Putting it another way for the sake of some of the new breed at Cork 100,000+ passengers means a lot of lost bar/car park/sausage & rasher sales.
Bearcat, you never say never in any business? Agree though that nothing will happen unless extra aeroplanes appear from somewhere out of someone's closet for new routes out of Dublin.
Bearcat, you never say never in any business? Agree though that nothing will happen unless extra aeroplanes appear from somewhere out of someone's closet for new routes out of Dublin.
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Ryanair will still operate 5 flights per day from ORK TO the London area compared to 3 per day for most of last January so what's all the fuss about it.
At least the loss of the FR903/4 will ease the pressure on EZY whose loads midweek on ORK LGW were dire in Nov and early December.
Next few weeks is make your mind up for airlines thinking about launching routes in late Spring or early summer from Cork, watch this space.
At least the loss of the FR903/4 will ease the pressure on EZY whose loads midweek on ORK LGW were dire in Nov and early December.
Next few weeks is make your mind up for airlines thinking about launching routes in late Spring or early summer from Cork, watch this space.
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FR have always been hot & cold with the FR903/4 and have down the years used it as a stick with which to beat Cork during sulks etc! Saturdays in the summer will be interesting too as there will be only 2 FR flights from Stansted, the later afternoon FR905/6 and the evening FR907/8 so no early morning flight to London from Ryanair on Saturdays. Guess I am like a dog with a bone but then again as I type there are two Labradors at my feet so you can see where I am coming from there!
An extra FR flight down from Dublin around 8 pm/9 pm would surely do well and pick up on those train or RE pax who flew up with Ryanair. The question is though would another flight to Dublin from Cork also do as well? Such an extra service would also mean another aeroplane, of course! Sin ceist eile!
Yes, Mark_Heg, more ramp, more runway and a CATIII ILS for Cork. Write to your TD, write to Minister of Enterprise, Martin. Stop most of those diverted flights from going to snn. Far too many Cork bound flights were lost to snn during 2005, far too many. How many thousands of lost passengers would that be and at what price and at what inconvenience?
An extra FR flight down from Dublin around 8 pm/9 pm would surely do well and pick up on those train or RE pax who flew up with Ryanair. The question is though would another flight to Dublin from Cork also do as well? Such an extra service would also mean another aeroplane, of course! Sin ceist eile!
Yes, Mark_Heg, more ramp, more runway and a CATIII ILS for Cork. Write to your TD, write to Minister of Enterprise, Martin. Stop most of those diverted flights from going to snn. Far too many Cork bound flights were lost to snn during 2005, far too many. How many thousands of lost passengers would that be and at what price and at what inconvenience?
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TOT- FR have been operating the STN-NTS flt for a few weeks now. Its not starting on the 11th jan like you said, using th 903/4 aircraft. Besides if you look at the 903/4 flt times for last year alone you'll see it has been changed a few times to accommodate its previous rotation. And Cork is not the only airport that is losing out on frequencies. Its all down to pilot shortage. Watch this space, you're going to see a lot of Fr flts being operated by different airlines again this year!!!
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Here are some pics my uncle took a few days ago when i was up for a flying lesson for those who haven't see what has been happening with the airport recently 
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