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dicksynormous,
you are dead right, saying that pilots wouldn't or could't do any of the tasks like baggage handling and ground functions is complete tosh. In a former life I like you have done the lot and would be only to happy to lend my 'skills' to helping the airline through this tight spot. Methinks that some of these tossers think to highly of themselves and don't realise that baggage handling is an artform easily learned, come to think of it so is driving a bus and a tug.
you are dead right, saying that pilots wouldn't or could't do any of the tasks like baggage handling and ground functions is complete tosh. In a former life I like you have done the lot and would be only to happy to lend my 'skills' to helping the airline through this tight spot. Methinks that some of these tossers think to highly of themselves and don't realise that baggage handling is an artform easily learned, come to think of it so is driving a bus and a tug.
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Whilst many of my friends in the industry have a surprising diversity of skills acquired before flying aircraft for a living, this is an entirely new one to me. What did it involve and why did you not make a career in this field?
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********* - with a name like 'dicksynormous' 'heavy pant operator' is really not suprising...............
On a serious note (of course), it is the time taken by the CRC checks that make 'instantaneous' replacements impossible and they know it. Around 6 months is not unknown if 'references' are not straightforward.
On a serious note (of course), it is the time taken by the CRC checks that make 'instantaneous' replacements impossible and they know it. Around 6 months is not unknown if 'references' are not straightforward.
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Good thinking, drive your crewbus was SOP in Lauda Air. I had the pleasure of being driven by Nikki himself, rather too fast for airside I seem to recall.
Good thinking, drive your crewbus was SOP in Lauda Air. I had the pleasure of being driven by Nikki himself, rather too fast for airside I seem to recall.
Airside pass checks
Surely everyone at Waterside must have airside pass clearance checks done on them already. That's a pool of thousands to take any emergency replacements from while new hires are got on board.
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Surely everyone at Waterside must have airside pass clearance checks done on them already
Anyway it's lovely and quite where I live now!
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Have not had time to read everything so this correction might have been made.
People, most notaby Buster the Bear, have been giving the wrong impression of the GG dispute. The GG staff were not made redundant then replaced with temporary staff. That would be illegal, and if so the correct action would be to take GG to industrial tribunal, which would have forced GG to compensate the workers, in some ways an ideal situation for workers already holding some redundancy money, as their employer is clearly not doing well and their jobs not secure.
They were under threat of redundancy and temporary staff were hired in for the seasonal peak. This information is from the T&GWU website, if you wish to check it.
They then played right into the hands of underhand management tactics. Militancy leading to an illegal strike allowed management to legitimately sack those workers who had refused to work. Management look like being punished for going too far and illegally firing some not involved, but had they been more restrained those walking out might have saved them a fortune. If they had allowed union negociations to continue, with ballots for a legal strike, they would have been in a much stronger position.
The BA ground-staff action is just illegal, inconsiderate, disgraceful and a threat to the whole of British civil aviation, even to my employment prospects, in the end. Hope the lazy militants are fired, the hangers-on allowed back, to work a little harder for their pay and perks.
People, most notaby Buster the Bear, have been giving the wrong impression of the GG dispute. The GG staff were not made redundant then replaced with temporary staff. That would be illegal, and if so the correct action would be to take GG to industrial tribunal, which would have forced GG to compensate the workers, in some ways an ideal situation for workers already holding some redundancy money, as their employer is clearly not doing well and their jobs not secure.
They were under threat of redundancy and temporary staff were hired in for the seasonal peak. This information is from the T&GWU website, if you wish to check it.
They then played right into the hands of underhand management tactics. Militancy leading to an illegal strike allowed management to legitimately sack those workers who had refused to work. Management look like being punished for going too far and illegally firing some not involved, but had they been more restrained those walking out might have saved them a fortune. If they had allowed union negociations to continue, with ballots for a legal strike, they would have been in a much stronger position.
The BA ground-staff action is just illegal, inconsiderate, disgraceful and a threat to the whole of British civil aviation, even to my employment prospects, in the end. Hope the lazy militants are fired, the hangers-on allowed back, to work a little harder for their pay and perks.
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Well said Artificial Horizon!
You have restored my faith in BA after some silly comments by others - On the strength of your comments alone I have cancelled my Virgin alternate to LAX next week that my staff travel booked me yesterday when this blew up. My family has been linked with BA since I was a wee chap and grew up "within the family" at outstations throughout the word. The company treated my family very well and I benefitted from fantastic staff travel opportunities - just as the baggage handlers families no doubt still do but won't for much linger if they continue in this vein...BA will simply cease to exist.
It saddens me to see BA dragged into this dispute in this way - It is ridiculous to blame BA for the current situation at GG - BA has worked hard and everyone has felt the pain (including members of my family who were also outsourced) for 4 years after 9/11 to survive and be competitive in the global marketplace and had just seemed to turn it round - It's not just Virgin who are laughing it's also AF-KLM, Europe's largest airline and LH - they wil benefit from disillusioned passengers and cargo agents choosing them over BA for the vital transfer traffic from longhaul destinations.
Anyway I hope this is resolved by next Thursday cos I've burnt my bridges now!
You have restored my faith in BA after some silly comments by others - On the strength of your comments alone I have cancelled my Virgin alternate to LAX next week that my staff travel booked me yesterday when this blew up. My family has been linked with BA since I was a wee chap and grew up "within the family" at outstations throughout the word. The company treated my family very well and I benefitted from fantastic staff travel opportunities - just as the baggage handlers families no doubt still do but won't for much linger if they continue in this vein...BA will simply cease to exist.
It saddens me to see BA dragged into this dispute in this way - It is ridiculous to blame BA for the current situation at GG - BA has worked hard and everyone has felt the pain (including members of my family who were also outsourced) for 4 years after 9/11 to survive and be competitive in the global marketplace and had just seemed to turn it round - It's not just Virgin who are laughing it's also AF-KLM, Europe's largest airline and LH - they wil benefit from disillusioned passengers and cargo agents choosing them over BA for the vital transfer traffic from longhaul destinations.
Anyway I hope this is resolved by next Thursday cos I've burnt my bridges now!
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erm..that would be "plant" then although i have had experience with a few non bassa members that needed heavy( Duty) pants.
Re heat you are right....eliminate the drivers. I would be willing to give them a 10 min start and a knife to give them a fighting chance. More sporting.
It is heartening to find a topic that bonds us pilots together instead of sniping at each other, reminds me of the atpl writtens when the common enemy was the CAA.
Heartening but eerily worrying. Can someone please slag me off i'm getting uneasy
Re heat you are right....eliminate the drivers. I would be willing to give them a 10 min start and a knife to give them a fighting chance. More sporting.
It is heartening to find a topic that bonds us pilots together instead of sniping at each other, reminds me of the atpl writtens when the common enemy was the CAA.
Heartening but eerily worrying. Can someone please slag me off i'm getting uneasy
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No you are not right, secondary action is still illegal.
It seems to me that, considering the CRC, that BA should begin recruiting replacements and engage in a rolling program of letting go those ground staff that chose to leave their jobs by downing tools illegally. Then bring on the prosecutions...
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Well I'm from the other side of the pond but have been following this thread and my morning news shows very closely.
I'm with Send Clowns on this one regarding today's cause du jour of this very nasty situation.
From my vantage point, there are many losers here in individuals alone, not to mention societies as well.
The economic impact of this action boggles the mind. The least to blame have lost the most in the short term and they are called PAX.
There will be no recovering from this in a decade. Roll-on redundacies are almost insured as are firings and restaffing of the union members at a far lower staff level.
I certainly don't have enough facts to take sides between management and their dealings with the workers that led to this mess. But it certainly appears that somebody took the wraps off a dirty bomb of imense proportions.
I am truly sorry for all the BA staff that are trying to salvage the situation to the best possible in order to keep their jobs.
I'm with Send Clowns on this one regarding today's cause du jour of this very nasty situation.
From my vantage point, there are many losers here in individuals alone, not to mention societies as well.
The economic impact of this action boggles the mind. The least to blame have lost the most in the short term and they are called PAX.
There will be no recovering from this in a decade. Roll-on redundacies are almost insured as are firings and restaffing of the union members at a far lower staff level.
I certainly don't have enough facts to take sides between management and their dealings with the workers that led to this mess. But it certainly appears that somebody took the wraps off a dirty bomb of imense proportions.
I am truly sorry for all the BA staff that are trying to salvage the situation to the best possible in order to keep their jobs.
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Are British workers fighting at last the poor social conditions they are living in for such a long time.
When I see the comments of those pilots or Passengers earning 100000.00£ or more that would be happy just to sack those workers defending their rights...
It is time you have a proper revolution in this country where the rich get richer every day when the majority of the workers get poorer and poorer and are forced to work to their death just to survive.
well done chaps...
When I see the comments of those pilots or Passengers earning 100000.00£ or more that would be happy just to sack those workers defending their rights...
It is time you have a proper revolution in this country where the rich get richer every day when the majority of the workers get poorer and poorer and are forced to work to their death just to survive.
well done chaps...
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Baron rouge,
Air france or even france wouldnt exist if it wasnt for your illegal subsidies, disregard for agreements re pilot age caps, corrupt third world government , jurrasic social and foreign (corruption) policies so wind your neck in.
as an aside....Only airbus can read the tapes ....yeah right..wonder why...cant have a froggy pilot committing an error could we.
Air france or even france wouldnt exist if it wasnt for your illegal subsidies, disregard for agreements re pilot age caps, corrupt third world government , jurrasic social and foreign (corruption) policies so wind your neck in.
as an aside....Only airbus can read the tapes ....yeah right..wonder why...cant have a froggy pilot committing an error could we.
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Baron Rouge is correct, people on here are too quick to call for sackings without knowing the full story.
Just because the action was "unofficial" doesn't mean it isn't just...
Just because the action was "unofficial" doesn't mean it isn't just...
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Dick... Cannot take anything on the poor social state of your country...
This says long enough as I am sure most of your well paid compatriots think the same.
It is about time British workers get out of the slavery you and the rich of this country are dragging them in.
but don't worry I am sure you will keep your head, brits are too well educated to give your lords , royalties, and fat cats the treatment they deserve
This says long enough as I am sure most of your well paid compatriots think the same.
It is about time British workers get out of the slavery you and the rich of this country are dragging them in.
but don't worry I am sure you will keep your head, brits are too well educated to give your lords , royalties, and fat cats the treatment they deserve
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Poor social conditions? BA ground crews? You are joking, right? The pilots you criticise have poorer social conditions, with the current habit of forced draft!
These are not workers protecting their rights. If I was being harsh I would call them lazy slackers protecting their privileges, but that would be unfair. They are, however damaging BA for something over which BA has no control, and doing so illegally.
Many of the staff are heavily unionised to protect ridiculous "rights". Until recently those bus drivers were only made to drive 3 runs a day to and from the aircraft. That is fewer than many pilots fly sectors! They did fight to protect that "right", although I am not sure if they succeeded in 2002 when they did not have any sympathy in the industry downturn.
Poor social conditions? BA ground crews? You are joking, right? The pilots you criticise have poorer social conditions, with the current habit of forced draft!
These are not workers protecting their rights. If I was being harsh I would call them lazy slackers protecting their privileges, but that would be unfair. They are, however damaging BA for something over which BA has no control, and doing so illegally.
Many of the staff are heavily unionised to protect ridiculous "rights". Until recently those bus drivers were only made to drive 3 runs a day to and from the aircraft. That is fewer than many pilots fly sectors! They did fight to protect that "right", although I am not sure if they succeeded in 2002 when they did not have any sympathy in the industry downturn.
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The fact that an act is illegal does not necessarily mean that you can be prosecuted by the Crown.
I am no legal expert, but my understanding is that you will not be prosecuted for undertaking a wildcat strike. However, a union that advocates or organises such a strike can be, but the penalty would be a fine / freezing of assets. Even this is very rare.
An individual does effectively sacrifice their right to a claim of unfair dismissal if they are involved in an illegal strike though.
The fact that an act is illegal does not necessarily mean that you can be prosecuted by the Crown.
I am no legal expert, but my understanding is that you will not be prosecuted for undertaking a wildcat strike. However, a union that advocates or organises such a strike can be, but the penalty would be a fine / freezing of assets. Even this is very rare.
An individual does effectively sacrifice their right to a claim of unfair dismissal if they are involved in an illegal strike though.